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Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by spockz »

GeekyBear wrote: post #285
spockz wrote: post #171

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I really liked wireless CarPlay when testing the Enyaq and wondered about the multi user situation. Already today Bluetooth always seems to get exactly the wrong phone. In our current setup we just have a phone holder with plug in which we shove the phone. Then it is done. It takes longer to pull the phone out of the pocket than to connect it. The only downside to CarPlay is that the battery stays at 100% charge. I w…

> The only downside to CarPlay is that the battery stays at 100% charge. I wish I could limit that to 80%. Especially if we take long drives this degrades the battery unnecessarily. I think that fast charging is just as bad, if not worse.

Yes. Indeed. That is why I don’t use it. It is something I can control externally by using different chargers. I can’t control how far it charges.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by spockz »

Bud wrote: post #206
spockz wrote: post #171

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I really liked wireless CarPlay when testing the Enyaq and wondered about the multi user situation. Already today Bluetooth always seems to get exactly the wrong phone. In our current setup we just have a phone holder with plug in which we shove the phone. Then it is done. It takes longer to pull the phone out of the pocket than to connect it. The only downside to CarPlay is that the battery stays at 100% charge. I w…

Although that's not really a downside of CarPlay itself, and you can also solve that with the Optimized Battery Charging feature, in iOS 13 or later. So just turn that on.

I have it turned on and it helps when charging during the night. It will charge until 80% and then charge until 100% for just in time when it thinks I need it.

But then when I get in my car it will just stay charged at 100% all the time.

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Post by hammyhavoc »

bonestamp2 wrote: post #338
m-p-3 wrote: post #314

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Like how I want a dumb TV with the system of my choice hooked up behind it. You can't trust the TV manufacturer to keep the OS up-to-date, and with TV prices always going down it's inevitable they'll cut corners to increase their profit margins.

Ya, I don't trust smart tvs not to show me ads at some point in the future, or spy on my behavior without telling me, so I don't even give my TVs my wifi password. I'll update the firmware with a usb stick and use an Apple TV. Apple TVs are more expensive, but I feel less like I'm the product and they're popular enough and with few enough models that any major problems will be widely known.

"Apple TVs are more expensive" than what? They're cheaper than a games console if all you want to do is stream from a major platform.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by panick21_ »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #237
margorczynski wrote: post #225

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Tesla has premium/luxury pricing and the clout. I'm not sure if your "average Joe" brand of car can make EVs work in their current state. There's a limit how much someone will pay for a Toyota or a Ford, less so for a Tesla or BMW.

Also Tesla customers will tolerate the bobby-car build quality that enables Tesla to have great margins. Toyota and others actually bother with QA which eats some of their margins.

The idea that Tesla has high margin because their final assembly is not as perfect as BMW is complete nonsense. They have high margin because of advanced manufacturing, vertical integration, cheap battery supply and so on.

Also, the evidence for Tesla having much worse quality (the reports) shows that they are only marginally worse then everybody else. Nowwhere near far enough to make a 30% margin difference.

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Post by coolspot »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #142
MBCook wrote: post #101

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I love CarPlay but I’ve given up on wireless. The idea seems nice, but in practice I have two issues. First CarPlay just takes a fair amount of power so you’re going to notice it’s effect on battery life. Second is the audio playback lag. I can’t stand it. It feels like seconds (though maybe it’s not that bad). The interface is ok but hitting pause or play or next track takes noticeable time to happen. I’ve only ever…

Wireless CarPlay in my 2022 Kia EV is way less enjoyable than wired CarPlay in my 2005 Toyota with an aftermarket Sony head unit with CarPlay support. Latency is much, much lower in the Toyota and there's never any trouble with switching between my iPhone and my wife's. Whoever's is plugged in wins—the end. As opposed to the Kia where it's always a crapshoot and plagued by endless Bluetooth connectivity issues.

I think you can use wired CarPlay in Kia even though it has wireless. I use wired in my 2023 Kia and love it!

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Post by throwaway60134 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #235
throwbadubadu wrote: post #188

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lmgtfy: Its the extremes (0% and 100%) that degrades LiIon the quickest, if you want the longest life ideally you'd keep it 30-70% the whole time, ymmv (and also thresholds). And it is a pity manufacturers don't support you in doing stop-charging-at-x if you wanted, e.g. a simple thing for software to do, but impossible without rooting on Android.

I can assure you you're mistaken. Most Androids today have that charge limit function natively without the need to root or tinker with your phone.

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Post by Tagbert »

pornel wrote: post #87
jdlyga wrote: post #5

Car infotainment systems are terrible. That's the reason why everyone wants CarPlay and Android Auto. It's kind of like going back to flip phones after using smartphones for years.

Even if the infotainment OS was better than my phone’s OS, I’d still prefer to connect my phone. It’s because I already have all the apps and data there. I don’t want to retype addresses into the car, I want to click them in my email or calendar. And I don’t want to set up my emails in my car’s OS, especially not one that has a lucrative contract with Google.

This is exactly my feeling. It’s great of they think they can produce really great software and if so I may use it for some things. For the rest I want to use the apps I am used to where my data is already stored and my personalized settings are stored. I also is a couple of CarPlay apps that I know GM cannot recreate and it would not have my subscribed feeds anyway

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Post by david422 »

LanceH wrote: post #94
kube-system wrote: post #58

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After having wireless CarPlay, not sure I can ever go back. It’s really nice to get in the car and just go, and everything from my phone is automatically on the dash and controllable with the car’s native controls. The last thing I want is for my car to be another device with its own subscription, accounts, applications, configuration, etc.

It's a bit of a pain if two people share the car. Even worse if two people share more than one car. There never seems to be an option to force use a specific phone when more than one is possible. They all seem sticky to a phone and it always seems to be the other one. I guess a good thing about carplay is that when traveling with someone else, they can use their phone to update things like maps, and we're not complet…

Pretty sure mine has a setting where you can prefer which phone is selected when connected.

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Post by Tagbert »

explaininjs wrote: post #328
tempaccount420 wrote: post #310

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Makes texting less comfortable though IMO.

You actually like the Car Play texting implementation? Doesn't it refuse to show the text message content on screen and prohibit keyboard entry?

Yes. While you’re driving it is voice only. That is a safety feature. I don’t want to do keyboard entry!

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Post by comandillos »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #259
comandillos wrote: post #257

There is a problem with using CarPlay on an EV, and that is battery preheating. In a Tesla, Rivian, Mercedes, etc. EV, if you plan your route using the built-in satnav, the car will preheat the battery for charging which is extremely important when you are on a road trip. Unless CarPlay includes a new interface for these kind of things, I would not be able to consider using CarPlay on a EV I am afraid.

you can’t plan your trip in the built in stanav then switch?

Depending on the car the route on the integrated one gets replaced! I remember this from my days with a Hyundai IONIQ.
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