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New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

akersten wrote: post #70

I'm baffled by the general lack of absolute outrage around these recent bills requiring government issued ID to use the internet. Most of the comments here are discussing irrelevant nuances like "oh, well it seems to only apply to platforms above a certain size," while ignoring the atrocity that these bills represent for the freedoms and privacy that we've all taken for granted up until now. Get your bloody hands off…

The cookie consent law followed a similar path: A lot of people saw the proposals and assumed it would only hurt the websites they didn’t like. Then the laws passed and now almost every website you visit comes with an annoying cookie pop-up.

I’m baffled by all the HN comments from people who think this will only apply to websites they don’t use. No, it’s going to become a miserable burden on the entire internet if it happens.

A remarkable number of commenters haven’t stopped to think about how all of these websites will only apply the laws to minors: The answer is that they’ll have to ID everyone. Either that, or it becomes a silly checkbox for kids to say that they’re over 18.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by brightball »

KyeRussell wrote: post #66
brightball wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Typically, that’s what almost all regulations actually do. Just pull the ladder up farther out of reach. It’s the reason companies lobby for them.

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I did say “almost all”. Bills like this just reinforce it.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

ProAm wrote: post #48

So in Arkansas you are allowed to go work at age 13 without parental consent but not allowed to use social media? Got it. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/08/politics/sarah-huckabee-sande...

That seems completely coherent to me. Getting a job as a teen is good for you. It teaches delayed gratification, working with others, responsibility and it provides a measure of independence early.

Social media, on the other hand, will make teens depressed. The association of social media => teen depression is ~5x stronger than cigarettes => lung cancer, which is a completely unfair comparison for cigarettes because you get the lung cancer 50 years later and you get the depression today.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by gabereiser »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #71
akersten wrote: post #70

I'm baffled by the general lack of absolute outrage around these recent bills requiring government issued ID to use the internet. Most of the comments here are discussing irrelevant nuances like "oh, well it seems to only apply to platforms above a certain size," while ignoring the atrocity that these bills represent for the freedoms and privacy that we've all taken for granted up until now. Get your bloody hands off…

The cookie consent law followed a similar path: A lot of people saw the proposals and assumed it would only hurt the websites they didn’t like. Then the laws passed and now almost every website you visit comes with an annoying cookie pop-up. I’m baffled by all the HN comments from people who think this will only apply to websites they don’t use. No, it’s going to become a miserable burden on the entire internet if it…

Can't sign up without a credit card, credit cards are issued to folks 18 and over. This is how they've done it up until this point (with little success). Making a "know your user" law like banking, no one will want to deal with the hassle and so only corporations (with big pockets to spend on this kind of Deloitte BS) will be able to compete on the internet.

It's a travesty.

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Post by waboremo »

akersten wrote: post #70

I'm baffled by the general lack of absolute outrage around these recent bills requiring government issued ID to use the internet. Most of the comments here are discussing irrelevant nuances like "oh, well it seems to only apply to platforms above a certain size," while ignoring the atrocity that these bills represent for the freedoms and privacy that we've all taken for granted up until now. Get your bloody hands off…

Pointing at kids is incredibly effective tool, no wonder it's utilized so often.

There is already growing momentum outside of flyover states and outside of social media, gaming platforms now are encouraged quite heavily to implement severe age verification systems, out of fear of being sued or having to deal with COPPA issues. Further, people will likely embrace any bills that encourage a standardized "encrypted" government ID system as being preferable to various platforms insecurely trying to get parents to submit identification documents. Meta has already announced testing of an age verification system in front of congress.

So your hope in that regard might already be smothered. I believe at this point there needs to be greater public awareness of what's happening, otherwise every time this is going to come up people are going to embrace it naively.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by Rebelgecko »

holyknight wrote: post #34

kinda makes sense, it's addressing a very specific problem that mostly arises around instagram and tiktok.

If they were worried about Tiktok they wouldn't have an exception written to protect any "social media company that allows a user to generate short video clips of dancing, voice overs, or other acts of entertainment"

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

jmclnx wrote: post #2

So they exempt platforms with deep pockets ? So much for the "I like small business" meme politicians love to bring up.

> That may limit the new age restrictions to just Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram.

It seems like TikTok and Google lobbied hard to escape.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by s1artibartfast »

jeromegv wrote: post #37
ericmay wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Further, what exactly does this have to do with capitalism? This is strictly a failure of government, and by extension the people.

When your whole political system depends on donations from large corporations, the government becomes in service of capitalism. Sure a failure of government but when you have built every incentives to promote those behaviours, the opposite would be surprising. Many countries ban donations from companies, doesn't let companies pay for politicians ads, etc. Doesn't mean it's perfect, government rely on jobs from compan…

It is simple government corruption and there is nothing unique about it to capitalism.

The same phenomenon occurs with other forms of government, such as Socialism or communism.

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