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New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by rootusrootus »

ruune wrote: post #51
nverno wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea that's BS. I didn't have any ID till I was 16 and got a driver's license. A lot of kids, like city kids, don't get one till years later. Are they planning to create a new type of ID for children? I wouldn't want my kids anywhere near social media either, but I wouldn't want to rely on the state to track and police their behaviour.

Another reason why a simple ID which only purpose is being an ID might be useful. No more non-driver drivers licenses

Is that not the status quo? My DMV will absolutely issue me a non-driver ID card if that's what I want.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by rootusrootus »

politician wrote: post #49
vhold wrote: post #33

I think people may be overlooking a bigger story here: https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTPDocument?path=%2FBil... Reasonable age verification methods under subdivision (c)(1) of this section include providing: (A) A digitized identification card, including a digital copy of a driver's license under § 27-16-601 et seq.; (B) Government-issued identification; or (C) Any commercially reasonable age verification meth…

It’s ludicrous that proof of ability to operate a motor vehicle is positioned as a prerequisite for using the Internet—- more so given the myriad of ways that a license can be suspended.

Where did you get that it has to be a driver's license? Just get a regular ID card if you don't need to be able to drive.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by [deleted] »

ydlr wrote: post #41
fortissimohn wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Driving is proven to be very dangerous but our government still encourages us to brave traffic every day.

With regulations, including government issued id and adult supervision of people under a certain age.

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Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by judge2020 »

gfosco wrote: post #38
simonjgreen wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the term you're looking for is "regulatory capture." Regulatory capture is a phenomenon where incumbent firms or industries manipulate regulations and regulatory bodies to create barriers to entry for new competitors, thereby maintaining or increasing their market power. This concept was first introduced by the economist George Stigler in his 1971 paper, "The Theory of Economic Regulation." Regulatory capture ca…

This is already being attempted with AI, under the guise of "safety".

I thought you were talking about the comment, which either sounds like it was AI generated or pulled directly from a dictionary.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by skydhash »

nverno wrote: post #55
ruune wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another reason why a simple ID which only purpose is being an ID might be useful. No more non-driver drivers licenses

A lot of people do get those currently, just ID cards for non-drivers, also issued through the DMV. Adults need them for various things like voting, food stamps, etc. But I've never heard of a child needing an ID card (aside from travelling abroad), although they could probably (?) get one if they needed - maybe they don't issue them to people under 18 cause there hasn't been any need

In Haiti, you can only get an ID card when you become an adult at 18. Anything that requires identification would need your birth certificate and the presence of your parents as you can’t be bound legally otherwise.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by KyeRussell »

brightball wrote: post #31
keiferski wrote: post #5

Is there a formal name to describe incumbents pushing for regulations in order to keep out new competitors? Something more specific than just “anti-competitive, monopolistic,” etc. This seems like such a common tactic that I’d expect there to be academic studies about it.

Typically, that’s what almost all regulations actually do. Just pull the ladder up farther out of reach. It’s the reason companies lobby for them.

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Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

vhold wrote: post #33

I think people may be overlooking a bigger story here: https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTPDocument?path=%2FBil... Reasonable age verification methods under subdivision (c)(1) of this section include providing: (A) A digitized identification card, including a digital copy of a driver's license under § 27-16-601 et seq.; (B) Government-issued identification; or (C) Any commercially reasonable age verification meth…

> connectivity to the internet through a state approved application

I'm not sure how that will come together, but I hope that circumventing it causes the kids to learn something useful.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by ruune »

nverno wrote: post #55
ruune wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another reason why a simple ID which only purpose is being an ID might be useful. No more non-driver drivers licenses

A lot of people do get those currently, just ID cards for non-drivers, also issued through the DMV. Adults need them for various things like voting, food stamps, etc. But I've never heard of a child needing an ID card (aside from travelling abroad), although they could probably (?) get one if they needed - maybe they don't issue them to people under 18 cause there hasn't been any need

Apparently you can also get those under 18. It just feels like a band aid fix, but it's probably good enough, so better spend the millions another ID would cost on actual problems

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by LinuxBender »

ruune wrote: post #51
nverno wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea that's BS. I didn't have any ID till I was 16 and got a driver's license. A lot of kids, like city kids, don't get one till years later. Are they planning to create a new type of ID for children? I wouldn't want my kids anywhere near social media either, but I wouldn't want to rely on the state to track and police their behaviour.

Another reason why a simple ID which only purpose is being an ID might be useful. No more non-driver drivers licenses

State ID's have all the same data as a drivers license. The only missing bits are the vehicle class endorsements.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by akersten »

I'm baffled by the general lack of absolute outrage around these recent bills requiring government issued ID to use the internet. Most of the comments here are discussing irrelevant nuances like "oh, well it seems to only apply to platforms above a certain size," while ignoring the atrocity that these bills represent for the freedoms and privacy that we've all taken for granted up until now.

Get your bloody hands off my internet was a common bond hackers shared when I was growing up and using this allegedly dangerous thing at the ripe age of 10. Did enough of us become disengaged parents who want the government to sanitize a beautiful sea of expression because we're too lazy to teach our kids about it? Do we not see the path that bills like this lead us down? I fear that the golden age of information is waning.

My only hope is that this kind of nonsense doesn't spread outside of the flyover states, where it might have an actual chance at needing to be implemented.

I'm just so angry and disappointed that no one is fighting this as hard as we should be. "Think of the children" is such a cheap parlor trick.

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