AI Will Never Be Conscious, but It Exudes Our Consciousness
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AI Will Never Be Conscious, but It Exudes Our Consciousness
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Re: AI Will Never Be Conscious, but It Exudes Our Consciousness
#2The author just asserts to have a solution to the hard problem of consciousness:
> Consciousness exists independently from the body. “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.” (PTdC). We aren’t the body emulating consciousness, we are consciousness living through the body.
This is completely lacking evidence and is nowhere near established.
> These aren’t fringe beliefs.
only because they’re propagated by major religions that have been successful over the last few centuries (especially militarily and in trade). This does not constitute evidence of the claim.
We simply do not know where or why consciousness emerges, but to find the proposed explanation compelling, it needs to explain when e.g. in embryonic development consciousness zaps into existence. At birth? At 18 months old? At conception? Prior to conception, and consciousness is embedded in each sperm and egg?
It’s kind of an absurd view when you try to answer any questions with it, so I find the “AI is not conscious” corollary very unconvincing.
Re: AI Will Never Be Conscious, but It Exudes Our Consciousness
#3The author just asserts to have a solution to the hard problem of consciousness: > Consciousness exists independently from the body. “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.” (PTdC). We aren’t the body emulating consciousness, we are consciousness living through the body. This is completely lacking evidence and is nowhere near established. > These aren…
People have trouble answering the question "does $animal possess consciousness", and most animals have been around for many many kyears.
I therefore have some doubts people would have an answer for stuff that has only been invented relatively recently, let alone looking towards the future.
Re: AI Will Never Be Conscious, but It Exudes Our Consciousness
#4Thousands of years of thinking about these issues, decades coming to hard grips with how little we understand, and LLMs drop like an atom bomb waking up every idiot on the planet who has naive things to say about consciousness. What's the motivation to talk so loudly and confidently about things one knows nearly nothing about?
Edit: I regret using the word "idiot" above. Nothing against the author's intelligence. Poor choice of words on my part. Naively presumptuous is closer to the mark.
Re: AI Will Never Be Conscious, but It Exudes Our Consciousness
#5Everything that includes the word never in a field we do not know enough about (neuroscience,philosophy,ai) is plain and simple silliness.
Re: AI Will Never Be Conscious, but It Exudes Our Consciousness
#6Thousands of years of thinking about these issues, decades coming to hard grips with how little we understand, and LLMs drop like an atom bomb waking up every idiot on the planet who has naive things to say about consciousness. What's the motivation to talk so loudly and confidently about things one knows nearly nothing about? Edit: I regret using the word "idiot" above. Nothing against the author's intelligence. Poo…
Just saw I wrote the same comment using the same storng wording. Sometimes it's warranted :)
Re: AI Will Never Be Conscious, but It Exudes Our Consciousness
#7Thousands of years of thinking about these issues, decades coming to hard grips with how little we understand, and LLMs drop like an atom bomb waking up every idiot on the planet who has naive things to say about consciousness. What's the motivation to talk so loudly and confidently about things one knows nearly nothing about? Edit: I regret using the word "idiot" above. Nothing against the author's intelligence. Poo…
What astounds me is the sheer arrogance of it. The assumption that only humans can be imbued with consciousness, because of... what, exactly? Self-reflection and the rejection of the scientific method?
Re: AI Will Never Be Conscious, but It Exudes Our Consciousness
#8I have a far simpler question that I wish to understand -- why does a pin prick hurt ?
I can understand that nerve endings respond to the stimulus. I understand that it can be transmitted across synapses by way of ionic exchanges to finds it way into the brain (or spinal cord) where it results in firing a bunch of neurons there as well. All in all a series of small scale chemical changes. But why does those result in a feeling of pain ?
Re: AI Will Never Be Conscious, but It Exudes Our Consciousness
#9Thousands of years of thinking about these issues, decades coming to hard grips with how little we understand, and LLMs drop like an atom bomb waking up every idiot on the planet who has naive things to say about consciousness. What's the motivation to talk so loudly and confidently about things one knows nearly nothing about? Edit: I regret using the word "idiot" above. Nothing against the author's intelligence. Poo…
I don't think the use of the word 'idiot' was great by itself, it should have been 'arrogant idiot'
"This is a classic case of Scientism (The opinion that science and the scientific method are the best or only way to render truth about the world and reality.)"
He more or less claims that consciousness is outside the realm of human understanding, but also then mentions the millennia of study by scholars about consciousness has found the real truth about consciousness.
Re: AI Will Never Be Conscious, but It Exudes Our Consciousness
#10I have a far simpler question that I wish to understand -- why does a pin prick hurt ? I can understand that nerve endings respond to the stimulus. I understand that it can be transmitted across synapses by way of ionic exchanges to finds it way into the brain (or spinal cord) where it results in firing a bunch of neurons there as well. All in all a series of small scale chemical changes. But why does those result in…
Not an answer, but the search term to find discussion is “qualia” (i.e., “the qualia of pain, the qualia of blue”, etc)