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Twitter lacks many features to be a true Mastodon replacement (2022)

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Re: Twitter lacks many features to be a true Mastodon replacement (2022)

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> Want to join Mastodon? First you have to choose an instance... This is one of the essential problems that frustrates normal users from moving to another social network. We are yet to talk about the mediocre 'search' function, co-ordinated instance-level bans, rouge moderators, instances shutting down / falling over, etc. Techies love discussing about how complex something is, where as the majority of users do not c…

Want to join Email? First you have to choose a server ... No wonder email failed to thrive as an open protocol, distributed communication system. It's just too darned hard and unfamiliar to figure out how to join.

want to join email and it's difficult? - you are evidently a tech person living some time before 1997.

Re: Twitter lacks many features to be a true Mastodon replacement (2022)

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> It's not the features that makes microblogs great. Agreed. It is organic interaction, which you get at the Fediverse. Much more so than on Twitter is my anecdotal observation. On Twitter you have to hone your messages in hope the algorithms make you 'go viral'. There are quite a few experts, academics, scientists and journalists migrating to the Fediverse. Increasingly some of the industry leaders too. I do not kno…

> It is organic interaction, which you get at the Fediverse. Much more so than on Twitter Do you though? If you're unlucky with your instance of choice, there will be as much "organic interaction" as in an abandoned mining town. Coupled with aversion to search this makes Mastodon "organic" only on large instances and/or only if you specifically know which people on which instances to follow.

It's trivially easy to move your profile and followers list to another instance, if you want to. But you aren't restricted to following users from your instance anyway. Follow one person you see boosted into your feed, look at who they follow and follow them. Rince and repeat.

Re: Twitter lacks many features to be a true Mastodon replacement (2022)

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I don't see how that is any different than Twitter to be honest. I only see posts from people I follow and I see no ads even without Twitter Blue.

On Ads, perhaps you have an adblocker on your desktop, but on mobile you’ll end up forced to use an app, and given twitter’s api is now pretty much closed off, there will be ads in those clients/apps. Elon needs to make money, and you will eventually see ads or give him money if you use his platform

Before Elon, Twitter needed to make money too; it had long distanced itself from its pre-2010ish self in mission and leadership, though that statement suggests at least some independence over the drift of the population during that time.

Re: Twitter lacks many features to be a true Mastodon replacement (2022)

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post #62

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> Want to join Mastodon? First you have to choose an instance... This is one of the essential problems that frustrates normal users from moving to another social network. We are yet to talk about the mediocre 'search' function, co-ordinated instance-level bans, rouge moderators, instances shutting down / falling over, etc. Techies love discussing about how complex something is, where as the majority of users do not c…

Want to join Email? First you have to choose a server ... No wonder email failed to thrive as an open protocol, distributed communication system. It's just too darned hard and unfamiliar to figure out how to join.

That's why Email is basically centralised now, with most of traffic to/from gmail (and microsoft).

Re: Twitter lacks many features to be a true Mastodon replacement (2022)

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Depends what your purpose is. If you want to be a broadcaster, have a message to sell, then there's a larger audience. If you want to have good conversations, you don't need many people. Who talks to millions of people in a lively back and forth?

I would suggest most people don’t care about broadcasting or having a conversation. They want to get “important” information from people they’re familiar with (news services, celebrities, etc).

If that's their take, needing a news feed, then they wouldn't benefit from a social media service. One way comms isn't very social.

Re: Twitter lacks many features to be a true Mastodon replacement (2022)

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Twitter is easier for new users to join. If you aren’t on Twitter and want to be (or have left and want to give it another try), the flow to create a new account is really easy - go to twitter.com, and then the sign-up flow is pretty standard, something almost everyone nowadays is familiar with. Want to join Mastodon? First you have to choose an instance - there are so many to choose from. If you are joining Mastodon…

> Want to join Mastodon? First you have to choose an instance... This is one of the essential problems that frustrates normal users from moving to another social network. We are yet to talk about the mediocre 'search' function, co-ordinated instance-level bans, rouge moderators, instances shutting down / falling over, etc. Techies love discussing about how complex something is, where as the majority of users do not c…

> co-ordinated instance-level bans, rouge moderators

I think that’s another big issue with Mastodon - poor accountability.

I know some are going to view “accountability” as an oxymoron when it comes to Musk-owned Twitter. But, while Musk positions himself as a maverick who couldn’t care less about what the media thinks (and the “mainstream” media especially), it seems likely that their negative feedback played a significant role in the reversal of some of his dumber decisions. His whole “I don’t care what the media thinks” routine resembles the poop emoji with which he responds to their inquiries-such a juvenile response is a sign he really does care about what they say, even if only to a certain degree-if he completely didn’t care, he’d just ignore them entirely, or even have some intern respond promptly with inane non-committal unquotable PR blather

So yeah, the media provides some accountability for Twitter, however imperfect-even under Musk. By contrast, the media provides very little accountability for Mastodon-it is very fringe, the average person has never heard of it, why would they pay much attention to it? And its decentralised nature makes accountability by the media potentially even harder, since there’s no Musk to ultimately hold account, just an opaque collective of obscure individuals who wield power behind closed doors

Another dimension of accountability is regulatory-for better or worse, social media is an increasing focus of regulatory attention worldwide, and you can guarantee Twitter is near the top of the list. Musk may try to dodge them, but he can only dodge so much, and in many cases (especially those regulatory requests which don’t appear to be associated with his political opponents) he may just comply from the start. By contrast, most regulators are going to ignore Mastodon, because it is too small to merit their attention, and its decentralised nature makes it much harder to regulate.

Of course “if you are unfairly banned on one instance you can always move to another”-but that’s at the minimum a major inconvenience, and what about the problem of cross-instance bans? I know they are claimed to be only against the far-right; but even if that’s true, what’s to stop “ban the far-right” from evolving into “ban the moderate right” and then eventually even “ban lefties who deviate too much from the party line”? Yes, that’s a slippery slope argument-but accountability mechanisms play a big role in stopping people slipping too far down life’s many slopes

If you trust the average Mastodon administrator is on roughly the same page as you, maybe you don’t have much to worry about; if you lack that confidence, is it still worth investing your time in it? With Twitter, even if you don’t trust Musk to do the right thing, at least you know there are real (however imperfect) mechanisms to hold him to account. The same mechanisms for Mastodon are arguably a lot weaker

Re: Twitter lacks many features to be a true Mastodon replacement (2022)

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post #62

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> Want to join Mastodon? First you have to choose an instance... This is one of the essential problems that frustrates normal users from moving to another social network. We are yet to talk about the mediocre 'search' function, co-ordinated instance-level bans, rouge moderators, instances shutting down / falling over, etc. Techies love discussing about how complex something is, where as the majority of users do not c…

Want to join Email? First you have to choose a server ... No wonder email failed to thrive as an open protocol, distributed communication system. It's just too darned hard and unfamiliar to figure out how to join.

> No wonder email failed to thrive as an open protocol, distributed communication system.

Do you see normal users setting up their own email servers? I don't.

It seems the are all joining centralized providers called Gmail, Outlook, Apple Mail and the like. [0]

[0] https://mailchimp.com/resources/most-used-email-service-prov...

Re: Twitter lacks many features to be a true Mastodon replacement (2022)

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Twitter has one killer feature: lots of users. Everything else is just detail.

Twitter actually has a bunch of killer features when compared to Mastodon, to a degree where "toots can have a content warning" seems trivial. One massive one being "able to search tweets".

If a poster wants their posts searchable then they hash tag key words. Those who don't want randos searching for vulnerable people they can dogpile onto can have that relative anonymity by avoiding contentious hash tags. It's a feature, although some exTwitterati disagree.

Re: Twitter lacks many features to be a true Mastodon replacement (2022)

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oh my god a product isn't growing, it must be garbage

user growth is almost imperative for social media products. No one wants to be on a dead social media.

Fediverse isn't VC funded and isn't a 'product' in the sense that Twitter is. Obsession with eternal growth is a function of the funding model. Those putting money or time into this are not looking for a financial return - they are trying to sustain a public service.

Re: Twitter lacks many features to be a true Mastodon replacement (2022)

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Depends what your purpose is. If you want to be a broadcaster, have a message to sell, then there's a larger audience. If you want to have good conversations, you don't need many people. Who talks to millions of people in a lively back and forth?

You want the right people such as experts and industry leaders. Those are on Twitter. If you want to hang with average Joes then you have a random Discord service, forums or anonymous people on Reddit. It's not the features that makes microblogs great.

You don't have good conversations with those people on Twitter though. 99% tweets directed by unpopular account to popular are going into a black hole. It's not a "good conversation" where you write something with 1% chance of getting something back.

If I am interested to know what experts and industry leaders think, I can monitor their media (where by the way HN is wayyy better than Twitter, and I'm sure there is a better community for every industry), but for good conversations I'd probably head to a smaller group which can exist anywhere, Matrix, Discord, FB group, Whatsapp communities, Discourse, etc. If I have an industry leader who is also a friend, those places is probably where they are having the good conversations.

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