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Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Because Google owns the largest browser. The problem could only be solved politically.

No, that proves the problem could not be solved politically, because regulators lacked the political power needed to regulate google

But GDPR was their way of regulating Google. It is not perfect but it was a huge step in the right direction.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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The incessant "think of the small businesses" is becoming the new "think of the children". It's easier for small businesses to comply with GDPR.

This is hilariously wrong. Small companies have less code and complexity but don't have internal resources specialised in law, security and web development available to fix things. They usually also don't have the money to bring outsiders to do it for them.

As a small business owner I disagree. Of all laws which create extra work for me GDPR is one of the least annoying ones.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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No, that proves the problem could not be solved politically, because regulators lacked the political power needed to regulate google

But GDPR was their way of regulating Google. It is not perfect but it was a huge step in the right direction.

I thought GDPR regulated the cookies that websites are allowed to request to store on users devices. Does it also cover tracking built into browsers by Google, Microsoft, etc.?

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Aren't you failing to account for the following? In theory, website owners could do as GitHub did and remove inessential cookies and get rid of annoying banners: https://github.blog/2020-12-17-no-cookie-for-you/ But in practice, website owners are worried about breaking laws and aren't experts and just follow what they see everyone else doing, and so put up banners. So in practice, the regulations are indeed the ulti…

I would argue that's the entire point of the OP. It's not the EU that's causing the fear of breaking laws. It's the ad tech industry that is instilling that fear by fostering the "you need a cookie banner on your site now" FUD. If Joe Schmoe thinks he needs a cookie banner for doing nothing and puts one up, then from a user's perspective, all sites are equally bad. Compare with "Ask App Not to Track" in iOS, which is…

It's literally the EU that created a worthless regulation that hasn't meaningfully helped anyone. I wish more browsers would just include extensions that automatically accept and hide these warnings. It's stupid we have to do this but this is the world we live in.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Cookies invade privacy, cookie prompts invade both privacy and attention.

Is the purpose of the prompt itself not to invade your attention to make a decision on whether you want them or not? Likewise, how does the prompt invade your privacy if you don't act upon it?

Before the prompts, situation was not good, but I could delete browser history and what not. After the prompts, I still need to delete browser history, but I can't delete memories of prompts from my mind. Every time I see a cookie prompt, I get traumatized. Prompt blockers do not work reliably. I don't want to read about cookies, GDPR, EU, whatever every time I see a random web page. I remember the old internet.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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> "my house, my rules" A website is in no way "your house".

Why not? Essentially, if I build and host a hobby site, it's my digital property. You have the right to see what are the conditions to visit (essentially: fetch) it and if you don't agree, you are free to go.

That's in no way comparable with walking into somebody's home. Publishing a website is a form of communication.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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No, they are not good in any way. Imagine you have to press buttons whenever you start your car and have to give promises you are not going to go above the speed limit... It's just plain NONSENSE. This consent madness should be implemented in the browser. You set it once, and then you just forget about it. Poof, problem gone. If

It was in the browser (still is?) called DNT, and it didn't work because the industry ignored, circumvented and even actively opposed it. Your idea has been tried and was found to not work.

Nah, it should be like notifications. You can set a global block on those. Same should apply to these cookie consent things. You set what you want to keep and enjoy a popup free web.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Except from the usability and privacy perspective the EU cookie rule is objectively bullshit. Don’t require notification for every fucking site I visit. Also there are no circumstances where “functional cookies are required”. Painting a webpage doesn’t require a cookie.

If you really cared about customer privacy you’d make a rule that allowed me to set my privacy setting in my browser and require the sites to respect it. And one of the options better be “none ever, just do what you can without it”

What moron thought the current rules were sane? What a useless waste of air to defend an obviously broken and constantly annoying and useless rule.

In conclusion a four year old could have come up with a better rule. So stop whining about people’s legitimate objections.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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post #260

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It was in the browser (still is?) called DNT, and it didn't work because the industry ignored, circumvented and even actively opposed it. Your idea has been tried and was found to not work.

Nah, it should be like notifications. You can set a global block on those. Same should apply to these cookie consent things. You set what you want to keep and enjoy a popup free web.

DNT is a global setting.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Nah, it should be like notifications. You can set a global block on those. Same should apply to these cookie consent things. You set what you want to keep and enjoy a popup free web.

DNT is a global setting.

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