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Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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Hehe. I actually had a thought around the same lines a few days ago. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35516757 And what probably gives us awareness or consciousness is the multiple GPT like structures running in parallel. It really does make me wonder if we are really close to true AGI. It does feel like it. Very exciting times! Just hope we don't end up doing a Terminator.

Oddly enough, we've been saying that since... The Terminator. NN's and LLM's are cool but not even close to the power of the human brain (maybe quantum llm's?). I'm keen to see how we can tap into our own minds as CPU's or at least drivers thereof. Consciousness is awareness and perception so one could say we are close to a rudimentary consciousness but we have a long way to go before it's aware.

Still, even though we've been saying it for 30 years, exciting times indeed! #skynet

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…

Another way to tell is to try to read things or look at a clock/numbers in your dream. Often time the information will not make sense, and will change if you look away and back. I've done this myself once or twice in a dream and I actually was able to tell I was dreaming but the shock of my realization woke me up.

I've had dreams where I found myself traveling and was presented with maps (in one my car had a HUD where I saw the map on the windshield as I was driving) that seemed to be quite accurate when I recalled them after waking. Even freeway signs with names of towns, roads and freeway numbers that matched reality.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…

Most of the time when I'm dreaming it never even occurs to me that I might be in a dream until I wake up. I have even had some cases where it did occur to me, and I started lucid dreaming (which was very cool), but then I reverted to my default this-must-be-real dreaming state. That was very weird.

I've only ever lucid dreamed under conditions of extreme stress, nightmares where am being chased by murders etc.

For example I had this dream where I was the guy who got killed in the last bit of The Ring (they think things are OK but Sadako comes for him anyway) and then I was able to lucid dream, control it and beat her up.

https://medium.com/luminasticity/beating-up-sadako-82c5fb3f0...

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…

Light switches and steering wheels never work properly in my dreams. I have to concentrate really hard to get things to follow the rules. Then I wake up.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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Possibly related:

I have a pet theory that holds that primarily attentive ADHD (ADHD-PI) is actually a facet of the type of autism that used to be called Asperger's.

And that ADHD, generally, is an extension just outside of the autism spectrum: possibly bridging into it with ADHD-PI if not the other ADHD classifications.

One of ADHD-PI's most noticeable traits is virtually uncontrollable daydreaming. When auditory / cognitive fatigue or fast-arriving boredom sets in, for example.

Asperger's theory is plagued by glut. Which makes the condition challenging to accurately comprehend, but at the same time doesn't necessarily imply that a lot of the theory is incorrect. Instead, it may imply complexity. Which makes sense given that this condition isn't acquired but instead is characterized by divergent brain architecture and talent / cognitive resource re-parsing from "normal". Similar in concept to an RPG game.

One facet of this glut of Asperger's theory is the school of thought that hypothesizes that Asperger's is some kind of evolutionary forward expression of a type of intelligence. Which is both generous and an unusually positive take within the glut of theory, ignoring for a moment any negatives.

My hypothesis adjusts this a bit, and proposes that Asperger's may be a type of genetically de-selected (low reproduction chance) contribution of a specific intelligence type. Which may have existed in human populations from the beginning. Implying that Aspergian intelligence, which may be associated with an increase rate in daydreaming, isn't so much a forward evolution but a population mainstay that may serve some type of function in the sense of low-rate genetic contribution.

Say having to do with visual processing that implies advanced talent in pattern processing specifically.

Some human intelligence academics, who are not involved in Asperger's research, place emphasis on pattern processing as the possible heart of it.

I can think of obvious reasons as to why whatever group genetic "intelligence" governs genetic evolution, as well as the roughly equal reproduction ratio of men and women as another example, would "want" to bias human evolution as much as possible away from a high rate of human-specific-intelligence gain. Possibly smoothing it out away from purely Aspergian expression and blending it, over time, with our other natures and talents.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…

Whenever my wonderful dog from 30 years ago appears in a dream, I start to do the math and realize that she would now be 41. And then I wake up.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…

I used to lucid dream regularly (need to get back to it - it's a lot of fun). I used a reality check where I would try to (lightly) blow air through my nose when my hand was closing it off. If I could I was dreaming. I did this randomly during my waking hours every so often when I had some indication that something was different and I needed to test reality.

Whenever I would come semi-aware when I was dreaming I would do this reality check and realize I was lucid and could do what I want. The interesting part to me is that blowing air through my nose and hand twigged me to the fact that I was dreaming, but the technicolor mega-gorilla screaming at the sky and throwing laser bolts did not.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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I hope this isn’t true. I’m in my 50s and I have never dreamed. By that I mean, I have never woken up from sleeping and remembered anything happening between the time I fell asleep and I awoke. It’s a complete blank. Maybe I do dream, but I have no proof or indication that I do. I never have. As a side note, it really bothers me when dreaming is used as a plot device in books. I can’t relate at all to the concept of…

If you're really curious you could use the Salvador Dali method: hold cutlery in your hand. When you sleep, you drop the cutlery and wake up from the noise. Repeat until hallucination.

Probably not healthy for you though!

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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Is intelligence even intelligent? Only thinking creature and you use your brain for murder machines. Sounds so intelligent. Everything here for everyone, yet some greedy pigs feel more deserving. Intelligence, more like a waste of human life. Intellectuals and computers have been a giant circle jerk. You couldn't support your own weight.

Re: Dreams are the default for intelligence

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I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…

I've tried that but am always foiled; the bike falls over or I'm distracted at the last minute by something else within the dream. Its like the mind is creating excuses not to wake up.
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