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Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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30 years of cuts to social safety nets, and life becoming affordable will do that. When as a country we prefer funding more policing, and less on affordable housing, healthcare, and education, we end up with a crisis like this. The fact that people act surprised is mind boggling. People have been warning about this for decades. I fear that this is only the start of a worsening trend.

Honest question here: How does poverty imply violent crime? I’ve been to impoverished areas of China and it was safer than any place in the US for example. I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence.

Perhaps the price for committing crime is very high. Or poverty in a given place is not actually a life of misery.

In my experience, especially in South America, the twin forces of poverty and civic dysfunction produce desperation - and that seems the driving force behind the sorts of “crime in the streets” that gets headlines.

Of course in other places on the same continent corruption (narco, mining, logging, etc) produce violent crime that plays out quite differently.

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This is beyond satire, the very first line is: > Violent crime has technically been worse in Canada, Technically worse? (Is that the best kind of worse?).

If violent crime had been worse before, but it was largely perpetrated by those who knew the victim, that's a very different risk profile to random attacks. If it was previously majority domestic violence, but now it's untreated mental illness and revolving door prisons, it also demands a different solution.

It's also not affordable to treat mental health here. A 50 min session costs $220 and benefits mostly don't cover it to this day. The hope is that the current clinical testing with ai based therapy bots can increase accessibility and affordability to therapists I would think. What other realistic option is there?

Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Honest question here: How does poverty imply violent crime? I’ve been to impoverished areas of China and it was safer than any place in the US for example. I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence.

> I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence. Relationships between poverty and violent crime, specifically children growing up in poor households, have been well known for a very long time and the relationship continues to be shown repeatedly. See e.g. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS2468-2... > I’ve been to impoverished…

>Relationships between poverty and violent crime, specifically children growing up in poor households, have been well known for a very long time and the relationship continues to be shown repeatedly.

On the other hand, crime went down a lot, across the board, in 2009 despite the recession. https://newrepublic.com/article/80316/relationship-poverty-c...>

West Virginia, among the poorest of US states, has a crime rate well below average.

Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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30 years of cuts to social safety nets, and life becoming affordable will do that. When as a country we prefer funding more policing, and less on affordable housing, healthcare, and education, we end up with a crisis like this. The fact that people act surprised is mind boggling. People have been warning about this for decades. I fear that this is only the start of a worsening trend.

Honest question here: How does poverty imply violent crime? I’ve been to impoverished areas of China and it was safer than any place in the US for example. I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence.

>I’ve been to impoverished areas of China and it was safer than any place in the US for example.

I've read of accounts by two different Western women who hitchhiked alone across China in perfect safety. One cannot imagine this happening in any other BRICS country except maybe parts of pre-Ukraine War Russia.

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> I'm not necessarily saying that recent immigrants are committing a disproportionate share of crimes I see. The reason I thought that is that you wrote that immigrants haven’t been culturally integrated which seemed in this context as if you meant that they were the perpetrators. Do you know if areas with more immigration have seen a larger increase in violence? Indirect effects through housing should be correlated…

1) I'm an American who is not super familiar with Canadian crime statistics. 2) I'd welcome reading any links on what you said, albeit with a healthy bit of skepticism as bad statistical interpretations are very common in this domain.

I'm in similar shoes. I was just curious to understand the Canadian situation better.

I am not an expert on immigration, nor on crime. From what I have heard, in the US, immigrants have a lower crime rate than US-born citizens. This 2018 review article says that this negative relationship is weak:

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-crimin...

I don't know what research was done in the 5 years since.

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I would not want to compare people's minds in "impoverished areas of China" to those in Canada. I think we have different composition and behavior patterns.

In that case, wouldn’t that imply that we should figure out how to change people’s “behavior patterns” as the root cause of violence instead of blaming poor people for violence just by virtue of them being poor?

I am blaming keeping people poor.

Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question here: How does poverty imply violent crime? I’ve been to impoverished areas of China and it was safer than any place in the US for example. I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence.

> I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence. Relationships between poverty and violent crime, specifically children growing up in poor households, have been well known for a very long time and the relationship continues to be shown repeatedly. See e.g. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS2468-2... > I’ve been to impoverished…

That explains the high incidence of sexual assault in impoverished communities.

"Your honor, I was so broke that I raped someone"

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"Bob Lee story" ? I missed that one.

He was stabbed in San Francisco. Everyone and their mother complained about the crime and homeless problems there and blamed the "progressive policies" for his death. Musk too chimed in obviously... Turns out the main suspect is another tech guy who probably did that. Not a homeless criminal and not fault of these "progressive policies". Crickets, no one walks back all the terrible things they said.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question here: How does poverty imply violent crime? I’ve been to impoverished areas of China and it was safer than any place in the US for example. I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence.

> I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence. Relationships between poverty and violent crime, specifically children growing up in poor households, have been well known for a very long time and the relationship continues to be shown repeatedly. See e.g. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS2468-2... > I’ve been to impoverished…

Do your links prevent the opposite argument from being made? I have heard more often that crime causes poverty.

Also, the specific connection with crime and poverty inequality, not poverty itself.

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