Or perhaps dreaming is GAN-style training.
Dreams are the default for intelligence
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#12I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated.
The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming.
Equally, if you were around a bicycle in a dream, and tried to look at the gearing mechanisms etc., it just wasn't possible for your brain to generate that level of detail; it would just change the bicycle into an elephant or what-have-you.
I never got to lucid dreaming, but did notice a similar thing happening. So, I always found it interesting how the mind might switch from internal 'concepts' to external 'reality' in a way that isn't readily available to 'conscious' thought.
Not really going anywhere with this, but if 'AI' can generate better bicycles than our dreaming minds, then…
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#13I hope this isn’t true. I’m in my 50s and I have never dreamed. By that I mean, I have never woken up from sleeping and remembered anything happening between the time I fell asleep and I awoke. It’s a complete blank. Maybe I do dream, but I have no proof or indication that I do. I never have. As a side note, it really bothers me when dreaming is used as a plot device in books. I can’t relate at all to the concept of…
People who go under anesthesia routinely have significant amounts of time where they are conscious and interacting with doctors, that are completely lost to memory. Everyone is configured uniquely, and you could just be someone whose memory is more shut off during sleep and still be "dreaming", if we just define dreaming as the brain continuing to operate on its model of the world in some capacity while sleeping.
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#14I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…
Another way to tell is to try to read things or look at a clock/numbers in your dream. Often time the information will not make sense, and will change if you look away and back.
I've done this myself once or twice in a dream and I actually was able to tell I was dreaming but the shock of my realization woke me up.
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#15I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…
Another way to tell is to try to read things or look at a clock/numbers in your dream. Often time the information will not make sense, and will change if you look away and back. I've done this myself once or twice in a dream and I actually was able to tell I was dreaming but the shock of my realization woke me up.
Unlike most I can see things in great detail, including text in my dreams. Consistency in time is absolute mess, for sure, but then again, I don't find this odd to begin with. In fact I kind of expect this. As in I realize I'm dreaming, and yet I don't.
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#16Dreaming is the condition where the parts of your brain required to form memories, and to have consciousness are active enough to participate and take part in what the other awake parts of your brain are doing while the sleeping parts like sensory input and motor control are shut down. We already know the brain creates an active predictive model of the world that is what we experience, so it makes sense the brain can continue creating that model when asleep and untethered from sense input.
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#17I hope this isn’t true. I’m in my 50s and I have never dreamed. By that I mean, I have never woken up from sleeping and remembered anything happening between the time I fell asleep and I awoke. It’s a complete blank. Maybe I do dream, but I have no proof or indication that I do. I never have. As a side note, it really bothers me when dreaming is used as a plot device in books. I can’t relate at all to the concept of…
There are devices made to detect and disturb you (with light, vibrations, etc) during REM sleep, to help with lucid dreaming. If you want to experience a dream, something like that might help, with the fairly safe assumption that you do enter REM sleep.
I didn't realize this until I had kids and my sleep became constantly disturbed, but the only times I'm consciously aware of my dreams are when I'm awoken during the dream. If I am given the chance to have a peaceful night, then it's just an instantaneous time shift from falling asleep to awake with nothing in-between.
So I could see how one of these types of devices could be handy to gently bring the consciousness out of deep sleep.
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#18I read a book about lucid dreaming a while back, and it said something like: the easiest way to tell you are in a dream is to look at something mechanical or complicated. The idea seemed to be: if you could get your dreaming mind to look at your hand and then turn it over to the other side, you didn't have the mental 'bandwidth' to imagine the opposite side correctly, and you'd realize you were dreaming. Equally, if…
I read a guide that suggested looking at your hands - that night I dreamt and recalled that and it worked. I guess most people do not see their own hands accurately while dreaming and it acts as a cue.
Just a little tangent!
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#19>When I am dreaming, I am receiving images/stories that are produced for me, not really by me
This can really only be partially true for lucid dreaming, though, right?
Maybe all dreaming is really just lucid dreaming. We're all usually just in some kind of split-brain patient situation where around half our brain is "lucidly" controlling a dream and the other half just goes along for the ride.
A lot of dreams are just kinda nonsense, but some I've had are pretty clearly well-thought-out metaphors for things that are happening in my life. Somebody or something pretty smart that knows a lot about me had to have come up with it.
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#20I hope this isn’t true. I’m in my 50s and I have never dreamed. By that I mean, I have never woken up from sleeping and remembered anything happening between the time I fell asleep and I awoke. It’s a complete blank. Maybe I do dream, but I have no proof or indication that I do. I never have. As a side note, it really bothers me when dreaming is used as a plot device in books. I can’t relate at all to the concept of…
People who go under anesthesia routinely have significant amounts of time where they are conscious and interacting with doctors, that are completely lost to memory. Everyone is configured uniquely, and you could just be someone whose memory is more shut off during sleep and still be "dreaming", if we just define dreaming as the brain continuing to operate on its model of the world in some capacity while sleeping.
Retrograde amnesia as in Versed/midazolam?