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Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Post by mizzack »

logicalmonster wrote: post #25

Canada has made a concerted effort in recent years to accelerate immigration and increase their population. I believe their population recently went up by a million in 1 year for the first time ever for example. For a smallish country, that's a massive leap. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65047436 On an individual level, I'm sure most immigrants are fine people. But there's a social cost to rapidly increasi…

It's such an uncomfortable topic that this right wing news article doesn't even hint at that as a possibility. Canada's Most Wanted list seems to support your theory, though.

https://www.boloprogram.org/

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Post by logicalmonster »

nequo wrote: post #60
logicalmonster wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is the excess violent crime committed by recent immigrants? Important to this discussion is that I'm not necessarily saying that recent immigrants are committing a disproportionate share of crimes. I'm just pointing out that a rapid growth necessarily stretches social resources everywhere which might have an effect on crime overall. If you have loads of new people and housing costs are X% higher because of that for…

> I'm not necessarily saying that recent immigrants are committing a disproportionate share of crimes I see. The reason I thought that is that you wrote that immigrants haven’t been culturally integrated which seemed in this context as if you meant that they were the perpetrators. Do you know if areas with more immigration have seen a larger increase in violence? Indirect effects through housing should be correlated…

1) I'm an American who is not super familiar with Canadian crime statistics.

2) I'd welcome reading any links on what you said, albeit with a healthy bit of skepticism as bad statistical interpretations are very common in this domain.

Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Post by passive »

This is some disgusting, fearmongering, copaganda.

The only actual trend of significance that has meaningful data behind it is an increase in police killings, which is still presented in a mostly useless way (8 over the last 6 months vs 133 from 1961-2009).

Everything else seems to be one-off stats like "a 53-percent spike last week".

Not surprising that this is in the Post, and from what I can see of this author, he's a better dressed version of Rebel Media.

Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Post by zo1 »

njovin wrote: post #34
joenot443 wrote: post #23

> Chief among this escalation was the killing of eight on-duty Canadian police officers in just the last six months. For context, between 1961 and 2009, a grand total of 133 Canadian police officers were murdered in the line of duty – an average of one every four and a half months. Imagine my surprise that years of ACAB and calls to defund the police would lead slain officers. It's depressing to me as a Canadian that…

I can't speak for Canada, but for the US I think it's important to acknowledge that leading up to (and beyond) the "years of ACAB and calls to defund the police" we had/have rampant police corruption and lack of accountability. I don't agree with ACAB but I also don't think enough departments are doing enough to clean house despite the light that body cams are beginning to shine on these previously-hidden practices.

We're incapable of discussing this topic, it's ridiculous. Even this article, flawed and biased as it may be, could have spawned heated but productive discussion. And every sane comment here that doesn't tow the inclusive and left-wing narrative has been down voted. Likewise the whole thread is now flagged.

Bullies have taken over and their intellectual allies are enabling them. We're watching this play out all across the net and in media.

I don't know what the overarching meta narrative or cause of all this is. My best guess is that it's the natural course of events or emergent behaviour when politeness trumps everything.

Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Post by Sarajevaun »

outlace wrote: post #33
zawaideh wrote: post #13

30 years of cuts to social safety nets, and life becoming affordable will do that. When as a country we prefer funding more policing, and less on affordable housing, healthcare, and education, we end up with a crisis like this. The fact that people act surprised is mind boggling. People have been warning about this for decades. I fear that this is only the start of a worsening trend.

Honest question here: How does poverty imply violent crime? I’ve been to impoverished areas of China and it was safer than any place in the US for example. I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence.

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Post by pseudo0 »

Pxtl wrote: post #40
voisin wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> happened almost exactly at the same time as the fact that rents jumped out of reach for many people. Bingo. But if you accept this as causation than fault lies in at the feet of an inept government and central bank and not the individuals stressed to the max by a society built to ensure zero social mobility and widening wealth inequality.

I primarily blame municipal governments for the housing crisis, with a secondary finger pointed at the provincial governments that have the constitutional power to override bad municipal decisions. This is the fruit of NIMBYism, same as in California.

No mention of the federal government adding a million people last year? Even if the provincial governments eliminated all zoning rules, there just is not enough building capacity to keep up with that reckless immigration rate.

Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Post by david38 »

outlace wrote: post #33
zawaideh wrote: post #13

30 years of cuts to social safety nets, and life becoming affordable will do that. When as a country we prefer funding more policing, and less on affordable housing, healthcare, and education, we end up with a crisis like this. The fact that people act surprised is mind boggling. People have been warning about this for decades. I fear that this is only the start of a worsening trend.

Honest question here: How does poverty imply violent crime? I’ve been to impoverished areas of China and it was safer than any place in the US for example. I don’t see how when someone is struggling with poverty that will increase their probability of engaging in violence.

It’s more related to poverty adjacent to wealth. If everyone is poor, nobody feels poor. If poor people are next to rich people, you often get crime and eventually violence.

Honduras is a good example. It was once poor and relatively peaceful. With a few social incidents, like removing farmers from their land and the rise of the drug trade, you have violence. The drug trade displays wealthy narcos to young men whose other choice is to be a poor laborer. The men see that those with money get the girls, can support their families, have status.

Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Post by invalidname »

Pxtl wrote: post #59
VHRanger wrote: post #31

How is HN falling for this again, barely 24h after the Bob Lee story showed how this forum is prone to these narratives? The very first link in the article from StatsCan is "Canada's crime rate: Two decades of decline". It says the opposite of what the NP article is quoting it for. This misquotation is followed by a series of anectodes, and backed up by the intellectual weight of... an opinion survey. The multiple of…

"Bob Lee story" ? I missed that one.

He was stabbed in San Francisco. Everyone and their mother complained about the crime and homeless problems there and blamed the "progressive policies" for his death. Musk too chimed in obviously...

Turns out the main suspect is another tech guy who probably did that. Not a homeless criminal and not fault of these "progressive policies". Crickets, no one walks back all the terrible things they said.

Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Post by Pxtl »

invalidname wrote: post #68
Pxtl wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Bob Lee story" ? I missed that one.

He was stabbed in San Francisco. Everyone and their mother complained about the crime and homeless problems there and blamed the "progressive policies" for his death. Musk too chimed in obviously... Turns out the main suspect is another tech guy who probably did that. Not a homeless criminal and not fault of these "progressive policies". Crickets, no one walks back all the terrible things they said.

Ah, tx. I saw the first part, didnt see the 2nd one.

Re: Canada is seeing violent crime like never before. What's behind the crime wave

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Post by aogaili »

Solution is to work on lowering the house prices and preach good family values which were the glue for many societies throughout history.

Instead, they constantly preach independence and housing as investment. Social programs are just patches for underlying cultural and economical problems. Also, you don't bring more people to a broken home.

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