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Primitive Asgard cells show life on the brink of complexity

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Re: Primitive Asgard cells show life on the brink of complexity

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Post by baremetal »

taxerbee1 wrote: post #2

A new study published in the journal Nature sheds light on the evolution of complex life from newly discovered "Asgard Cells"! Go science... love the science of evolution, so fascinating! So it seems like these Asgard Cells are complex cells that evolved on Earth over 1.8 billion years ago. These cells have features similar to both bacteria and eukaryotes, which are the two main types of cellular life on Earth. The d…

Where did the entropy in the genome of any species come from? The data man, where did it come from?

When everything in the universe degrades or rusts or tends towards decreasing complexity.

Edit: When I say entropy the first time I'm referring to algorithmic information theory entropy, whereas the second indirect reference is to physical entropy.

Re: Primitive Asgard cells show life on the brink of complexity

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Post by meindnoch »

baremetal wrote: post #11
taxerbee1 wrote: post #2

A new study published in the journal Nature sheds light on the evolution of complex life from newly discovered "Asgard Cells"! Go science... love the science of evolution, so fascinating! So it seems like these Asgard Cells are complex cells that evolved on Earth over 1.8 billion years ago. These cells have features similar to both bacteria and eukaryotes, which are the two main types of cellular life on Earth. The d…

Where did the entropy in the genome of any species come from? The data man, where did it come from? When everything in the universe degrades or rusts or tends towards decreasing complexity. Edit: When I say entropy the first time I'm referring to algorithmic information theory entropy, whereas the second indirect reference is to physical entropy.

It came from the energy that the Sun pumps into the system.

Re: Primitive Asgard cells show life on the brink of complexity

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Post by mcphage »

meindnoch wrote: post #13
baremetal wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did the entropy in the genome of any species come from? The data man, where did it come from? When everything in the universe degrades or rusts or tends towards decreasing complexity. Edit: When I say entropy the first time I'm referring to algorithmic information theory entropy, whereas the second indirect reference is to physical entropy.

It came from the energy that the Sun pumps into the system.

I don't know why so many people forget that the laws of thermodynamics are all about closed systems, which the Earth is very much not.

Re: Primitive Asgard cells show life on the brink of complexity

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Post by kevviiinn »

meindnoch wrote: post #13
baremetal wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did the entropy in the genome of any species come from? The data man, where did it come from? When everything in the universe degrades or rusts or tends towards decreasing complexity. Edit: When I say entropy the first time I'm referring to algorithmic information theory entropy, whereas the second indirect reference is to physical entropy.

It came from the energy that the Sun pumps into the system.

And the energy from within the earth through geothermal vents

Re: Primitive Asgard cells show life on the brink of complexity

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Post by mromanuk »

baremetal wrote: post #11
taxerbee1 wrote: post #2

A new study published in the journal Nature sheds light on the evolution of complex life from newly discovered "Asgard Cells"! Go science... love the science of evolution, so fascinating! So it seems like these Asgard Cells are complex cells that evolved on Earth over 1.8 billion years ago. These cells have features similar to both bacteria and eukaryotes, which are the two main types of cellular life on Earth. The d…

Where did the entropy in the genome of any species come from? The data man, where did it come from? When everything in the universe degrades or rusts or tends towards decreasing complexity. Edit: When I say entropy the first time I'm referring to algorithmic information theory entropy, whereas the second indirect reference is to physical entropy.

Life it's just a cooler way to speed up entropy.

Re: Primitive Asgard cells show life on the brink of complexity

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Post by beebeepka »

7thaccount wrote: post #12
layer8 wrote: post #10

The title gives me Stargate flashbacks.

Except I doubt their cloned cells would be anything so primitive:)

They perished because of their cloning practices.

Clearly they should have asked humans for the sort of help they needed with the replicators. We could've provided plenty of our primitive DNA. Wait, were there any female Asgard?

Re: Primitive Asgard cells show life on the brink of complexity

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Post by baremetal »

meindnoch wrote: post #13
baremetal wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did the entropy in the genome of any species come from? The data man, where did it come from? When everything in the universe degrades or rusts or tends towards decreasing complexity. Edit: When I say entropy the first time I'm referring to algorithmic information theory entropy, whereas the second indirect reference is to physical entropy.

It came from the energy that the Sun pumps into the system.

I understand we aren't a closed system.

But that still doesn't explain to me where the complexity came from.

Re: Primitive Asgard cells show life on the brink of complexity

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Post by baremetal »

mcphage wrote: post #14
meindnoch wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It came from the energy that the Sun pumps into the system.

I don't know why so many people forget that the laws of thermodynamics are all about closed systems, which the Earth is very much not .

I don't know why so many people forget to explain where _the complexity_ comes from and just drive right off the road assuming I don't know something basic and can distract from having to answer the real question about the complexity of the information in DNA and its origins. Not a very generous argument style you have there.

Re: Primitive Asgard cells show life on the brink of complexity

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Post by [deleted] »

beebeepka wrote: post #17
7thaccount wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except I doubt their cloned cells would be anything so primitive:)

They perished because of their cloning practices. Clearly they should have asked humans for the sort of help they needed with the replicators. We could've provided plenty of our primitive DNA. Wait, were there any female Asgard?

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