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Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

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Post by jeltz »

qtzfz wrote: post #27
mabedan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re missing the point of the article. The banner is only needed if your business relies on handing over info about the user to 3rd party. And yes, it’s reasonable to make sure user knows about it. The fact that these pop ups are annoying is the fault of the creator, not the regulation. Try accessing Apple.com or iCloud.com. No cookie pop up, yet one of the most successful businesses in history. You don’t have to b…

What info? My IP address and the pages I've visited inside their site? By visiting a site I know I'm giving that info to them, they can do whatever they want with it.

Not without breaking the law.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#32

Post by qtzfz »

illiarian wrote: post #24
4ad wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bank doesn't use 3rd party cookies, but they have a modal wall you have to click through anyway that explains that they DO NOT use cookies. This is insanity. Their explanation is that users are so accustomed to these cookie walls that a site without one would feel suspicious and unsafe. I very much blame the EU on this, because the EU policy has solved NOTHING, tracking still happens just as before, except now use…

Businesses: want to track users and collect their data with reckless abandon Businesses: implement rampant dark patterns to trick people into accepting tracking and data collection Businesses: flood the internet with inane, obnoxious and blatantly illegal cookie dialogs ... 4ad: I blame the EU (Hint: show me where GDPR says anything about cookies)

Most internet businesses need tracking to survive, so it's more like either you click past a cookie banner or you don't get to see the content at all.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#33

Post by Anduia »

shmde wrote: post #4
senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

Also accepting them cookies is one single click but rejecting them feels like entering the dark realm with multiple options and not knowing where to click. I am software dev but still have to use just enough mental resources to reject all of the non essential ones. How the fuck is this legal.

It is not legal for webs to make rejecting cookies more complicated than accepting them.

In fact, the French data protection authority CNIL has issued orders to around sixty players that do not make refusing cookies as easily as accepting them. They have also fined companies such as Google and Facebook for making it harder to reject cookies than to accept them. The CNIL has ordered these companies to provide a means of refusing cookies as simple as the existing means of accepting them.

Also, under GDPR, it is not legal for websites to make rejecting cookies more complicated than accepting them. In May 2020, the EU updated its GDPR guidance to clarify that cookie walls do not offer users a genuine choice because if you reject cookies you’re blocked from accessing content. It confirms that cookie walls should not be used. Companies such as Google have introduced new options to reject tracking cookies in Europe after their existing dialog boxes were found to be in violation of EU data laws.

Now what I don't know is if users outside of EU get the evil-twin version of those popups when visiting websites. My experience browsing the www is just not as bad as many people describe because I usually get a "reject all" button or when "managing" the cookies, they are all disabled by default and I can simply save the options.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#34

Post by welder »

ge96 wrote: post #7

Soon as I see the cookie prompt I either abandon the site or read past it. Maybe I write a thing that specifically removes it by an extension.

A related browser extension was posted here yesterday:

Consent-O-Matic: Automatic cookie management (au.dk)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35562230

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#35

Post by qtzfz »

jeltz wrote: post #31
qtzfz wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What info? My IP address and the pages I've visited inside their site? By visiting a site I know I'm giving that info to them, they can do whatever they want with it.

Not without breaking the law.

Which is why it's a stupid law that has made everybody's lives worse, both the businesses and the users.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#36

Post by illiarian »

qtzfz wrote: post #27
mabedan wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re missing the point of the article. The banner is only needed if your business relies on handing over info about the user to 3rd party. And yes, it’s reasonable to make sure user knows about it. The fact that these pop ups are annoying is the fault of the creator, not the regulation. Try accessing Apple.com or iCloud.com. No cookie pop up, yet one of the most successful businesses in history. You don’t have to b…

What info? My IP address and the pages I've visited inside their site? By visiting a site I know I'm giving that info to them, they can do whatever they want with it.

> What info?

Any personally identifiable information.

GDPR is not a complex law no matter how shady businesses and clueless devs are trying to tell you. It's also been in effect for 7 years. You'd think it's enough time to have at least some clue on what it's about.

And yet we still have these inane threads on HN claiming it's about cookie popups, and people having no idea what info trackers collect.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#37

Post by sgt »

ge96 wrote: post #16
clnq wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are already lists for ad blockers that remove those cookie notices.

I don't know how people can use the internet without an adblocker.

I tried adblock but I turned it off as it was blocking things that weren't supposed to be blocked. Very rarely though. I don't know, it's like I almost don't see the ads, my eyes just scroll past it.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#38

Post by 4ad »

illiarian wrote: post #24
4ad wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bank doesn't use 3rd party cookies, but they have a modal wall you have to click through anyway that explains that they DO NOT use cookies. This is insanity. Their explanation is that users are so accustomed to these cookie walls that a site without one would feel suspicious and unsafe. I very much blame the EU on this, because the EU policy has solved NOTHING, tracking still happens just as before, except now use…

Businesses: want to track users and collect their data with reckless abandon Businesses: implement rampant dark patterns to trick people into accepting tracking and data collection Businesses: flood the internet with inane, obnoxious and blatantly illegal cookie dialogs ... 4ad: I blame the EU (Hint: show me where GDPR says anything about cookies)

I blame the businesses for destroying the social fabric of the internet, and I simultaneously blame the EU for implementing pointless regulations that do not solve the first problem while making life miserable for its subjects.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#39

Post by boffinism »

illiarian wrote: post #8
senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

>The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. When presented with "Ask app to not track" on iOS, 96% users clicked "do not track" https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-o...

These two statements are not incompatible.

Re: Stop whining about “The EU Cookie Policy” and improve your ways

#40

Post by shmde »

illiarian wrote: post #8
senttoschool wrote: post #2

The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. However, there is a very real productivity loss with all the cookie prompts - both trying to implement them, getting around them, and the billions of people who have to click on them every single day. We've got to come up with a better solution.

>The vast majority of people DO NOT care about cookies nor do they care about trackers. When presented with "Ask app to not track" on iOS, 96% users clicked "do not track" https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-o...

Having a clear cut "CALL TO ACTION" dialogue option which presents one positive ( don't track me ) and one negative ( track me ) option. People choose the positive one.

Cookies/tracking banners on website completely obfuscates the choice. Negative option ( track me ) is presented as the pearly gates to heaven and easy to click. Positive option ( don't track me ) is presented as these mathematical puzzle where you must know what to click or your dog gets executed.

So yeah people care about not being tracked when presented with clear instructions to which one is bad and which one is good.

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