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Re: ‘Overemployed’ Hustlers Exploit ChatGPT to Take on Even More Full-Time Jobs

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Post by Zababa »

epilys wrote: post #10
lm28469 wrote: post #7

I'd be very very curious to follow the life of all these "chatgpt does 80% of my work" people. Unless you code to-do list and sudoku html "apps" all day I doubt it's anywhere close to true

I strongly feel like this LLM hype should have revealed the bullshit job phenomenon [1] to the world. Instead nobody questions their bullshit reality, and assumes that if a program can perform in bullshit, it is as conscious as a person. [1]: Graeber https://www.atlasofplaces.com/essays/on-the-phenomenon-of-bu...

This article seems to describe people unable to find meaning in their job, unable to understand why they exist. There is a big difference between "my job is meaningless", as in, "I am unable to find meaning in my job", and "my job is pointless and shouldn't exist".

The way "bullshit jobs" are described covers both actually pointless jobs, and people that don't understand why their job exist.

Re: ‘Overemployed’ Hustlers Exploit ChatGPT to Take on Even More Full-Time Jobs

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Post by lisasays »

jterrys wrote: post #31
turnsout wrote: post #3

The idea of multiplying the number of stakeholders I deal with by 2-4 gives me chills, even with help. The psychic toll of dealing will all these micro tasks while also being deceitful all day long is not worth the FIRE.

When you can generate close to a million usd a year, keeping it up for 5 formative years doesn't seem that bad. You can coast for the rest of your life on very little work afterwards.

What about the "being deceitful" part? Not an issue for you?

Re: ‘Overemployed’ Hustlers Exploit ChatGPT to Take on Even More Full-Time Jobs

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Post by jterrys »

lisasays wrote: post #42
jterrys wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you can generate close to a million usd a year, keeping it up for 5 formative years doesn't seem that bad. You can coast for the rest of your life on very little work afterwards.

What about the "being deceitful" part? Not an issue for you?

To whom? Your employer? Perhaps if you work in a country that values your employment more and your employer is fair with their wages, then maybe your loyalty is warranted. I don't really think that is the case in the USA. Executives are on multiple boards all the time and they juggle different organizations daily. If the C-Suite can be overemployed then why not you? The U.S is downright predatory with at-will employment and salaried vs. hourly pay along with a retirement plan that amounts to a glorified investment account. I take more personal issue with that than moonlighting a second job.

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Post by lisasays »

jterrys wrote: post #43
lisasays wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the "being deceitful" part? Not an issue for you?

To whom? Your employer? Perhaps if you work in a country that values your employment more and your employer is fair with their wages, then maybe your loyalty is warranted. I don't really think that is the case in the USA. Executives are on multiple boards all the time and they juggle different organizations daily. If the C-Suite can be overemployed then why not you? The U.S is downright predatory with at-will employm…

Never mind the morality issues (which you don't seem to care about, or are happy to relativize with some form of "everything is messed up in the USA anyway, so it doesn't matter" argument). The bottom line is that in all probability (at least it is so in every such contract I've ever seen), it's very clearly against the language your Employment Agreement to have undeclared, outside engagements with other employers. There's also almost certainly language in there about "devoting one's full attention and focus" to the role, as well as a certain number of hours per week.

If the C-Suite can be overemployed then why not you?

Because (as with everything else about them) their contracts are different. Even so, they are absolutely required to declare these affiliations. Just as you are.

To whom? Your employer?

Also to your co-workers and future employers.

And to anyone close to you in your life - who you'd be pretty much forcing to keep up your little wall of secrecy.

"So where does s/he work?" "Umm..."

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Post by lm28469 »

nradov wrote: post #29
epilys wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly feel like this LLM hype should have revealed the bullshit job phenomenon [1] to the world. Instead nobody questions their bullshit reality, and assumes that if a program can perform in bullshit, it is as conscious as a person. [1]: Graeber https://www.atlasofplaces.com/essays/on-the-phenomenon-of-bu...

Graeber's claim about bullshit jobs can be trivially dismissed. If there were actually many bullshit jobs in some profitable company then eventually a competitor with fewer bullshit jobs and thus lower costs would come in and eat their lunch. While middle managers in some organizations do engage in empire building to inflate their own importance, senior executives generally don't hesitate to cut costs by laying off u…

> There are certainly some bullshit jobs, especially in the public sector and non-profit space.

I don't think you understand the definition of a "public service"

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