the .vimrc I've been using for like 7 years has 8 lines
My emacs config is zero lines.
Respect. What do you use it for?
916 Days of Emacs
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Re: 916 Days of Emacs
#132I've been a hardcore vi user pretty much my entire life, but I decided to force myself to spend a year using emacs a while back just to see what all the fuss was about. When the year was over and I "allowed" myself to return to vi, it was like a huge weight lifted off my shoulders... to this day I still don't see what the hype was about. On the plus side, though, I memorized the emacs cursor movement commands, which…
When I was at the university and started programming on UNIX, the professor said we should try both emacs and vi and see which we like better, and provided links to some tutorials. I tried them both and liked vi. Emacs seemed slower. In my undergraduate wisdom, I deemed emacs to be "stupid" and went on with my life using vi. After I had been programming professionally for about ten years, I decided that my harsh judg…
> why would a professional programmer not want to invest the time to learn to type properly: typing fast boosts your productivity significantly.
I have not found typing speed to correlate well with productivity. I spend quite a lot of time thinking while coding.
Re: 916 Days of Emacs
#133282 hours of configuration! If we subtract the weekends from that 916 days, that's an average of about 45 mins a day fiddling with config. I don't even want to spend 45 mins a month fiddling with config. I really don't understand Emacs people.
That's 28k dollars to configure Emacs, if we assume 100 USD / hour...
Where's your mercedes?
Re: 916 Days of Emacs
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like they're not even aware that it was an option. Many people don't realize that emacs' default keybindings can be changed to be modal in exactly the same as vim, by using evil.
Sorry for the naive question, but if you're changing all your bindings to vim, then why use emacs at all? Is there any extra functional difference?
Emacs is more like an ecosystem around text, so switching keybinding does not matter much. And most people's system is installed on a single computer, very much like Photoshop or Visual Studio. Vim is all about editing text and the keybinding are like a DSL for this purpose, so changing things will make you awkward everywhere.
Re: 916 Days of Emacs
#135I've been a hardcore vi user pretty much my entire life, but I decided to force myself to spend a year using emacs a while back just to see what all the fuss was about. When the year was over and I "allowed" myself to return to vi, it was like a huge weight lifted off my shoulders... to this day I still don't see what the hype was about. On the plus side, though, I memorized the emacs cursor movement commands, which…
> to this day I still don't see what the hype was about. As an Emacs user[1], I agree. The flexibility is really cool, and there are a handful of Emacs applications (notice I didn't call them "packages") that are "killer apps", like Magit, Org-Mode, Calc, etc. But, even though I do use and like Emacs, I can't honestly recommend it to anyone and I wouldn't even consider it to be a very good programming environment unl…
> Handling buffers is tedious.
I feel the pain. I often daydream about spending time customizing it to my needs, and add that to the other 576 ways I want to customize it and don't have time.
And then I sigh and remind myself "At least it's better than tabs!" before I return to my tasks at hand.
Re: 916 Days of Emacs
#136I've been a hardcore vi user pretty much my entire life, but I decided to force myself to spend a year using emacs a while back just to see what all the fuss was about. When the year was over and I "allowed" myself to return to vi, it was like a huge weight lifted off my shoulders... to this day I still don't see what the hype was about. On the plus side, though, I memorized the emacs cursor movement commands, which…
I am personnally fan of command line vi modes. readline has one (bash, gdb, and others), zsh and fish have (a better) one too.
I have remapped Caps Lock to Esc and it's never been easier to just go up and down the history with j an k and to make quick edits.
Re: 916 Days of Emacs
#137I've been a hardcore vi user pretty much my entire life, but I decided to force myself to spend a year using emacs a while back just to see what all the fuss was about. When the year was over and I "allowed" myself to return to vi, it was like a huge weight lifted off my shoulders... to this day I still don't see what the hype was about. On the plus side, though, I memorized the emacs cursor movement commands, which…
> to this day I still don't see what the hype was about. As an Emacs user[1], I agree. The flexibility is really cool, and there are a handful of Emacs applications (notice I didn't call them "packages") that are "killer apps", like Magit, Org-Mode, Calc, etc. But, even though I do use and like Emacs, I can't honestly recommend it to anyone and I wouldn't even consider it to be a very good programming environment unl…
I have love/hate relationship with Emacs too, but for the stuff I do in Emacs I hate other software more. So Emacs it is.
Re: 916 Days of Emacs
#138I've been a hardcore vi user pretty much my entire life, but I decided to force myself to spend a year using emacs a while back just to see what all the fuss was about. When the year was over and I "allowed" myself to return to vi, it was like a huge weight lifted off my shoulders... to this day I still don't see what the hype was about. On the plus side, though, I memorized the emacs cursor movement commands, which…
What all the hype is about depends on how you use emacs, what you add to it and how you configure it. I used vi and vim for 25 years before switching to emacs, and I spent a ton of time making it very vim like. Now my emacs can do way more than vim ever did. Things like: - browse the web through emacs - read my email through emacs - use org-mode to take notes in outline format, with hyperlinks, tables, executable sou…
> and certain types of regex handling that vim can do better
Hi, emacs user here, can you elaborate please.
Re: 916 Days of Emacs
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Emacs is an operating system, not an editor; I'm really not sure why Stallman constantly promoted the "emacs vs. vi" meme. You might as well try to switch from Notepad to Linux. It's just a type error, and you'll have a bad time.
> Emacs is an operating system, not an editor what does it take for this tired and false meme to die?
Making a new account to post a pithy pedantic negative reply is usually a indicator of irl issues that need to be addressed. The parent is not wrong in his point that comparing vi to emacs is the proverbial apples to oranges. They are different types of tools
Re: 916 Days of Emacs
#140A few random Emacs thoughts...
One really nice feature of MacOS text widgets is the inclusion of basic Emacs key bindings such as C-k, C-d, C-a, etc. Brought forward from the Next days.
I used Zmacs on Lisp Machines back at MIT in the early 80's. A couple of my favorite Emacs-related acronyms are the editor EINE (Eine Is Not Emacs) and its successor ZWEI (Zwei Was EINE Initially).
I remember at one point in the late 80's using Emacs in the shell on SGI Irix workstations. No mouse support at that time for it.
Today I still use Emacs/Slime for my Common Lisp 3D graphics hacking.