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European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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This will result in more legislation like GDPR.

GDPR and other EU privacy/safety regulations are good in principle but the task of auditing software for compliancy is going to lawyers, accountants (auditors), and business consultants. Is it because they are cheaper than developers? Not really, in most of Western Europe these people make the same or more than software developers.

So we now have nore non-tech people deciding what tech people can do and not do. Completely ridiculous.

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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You're entirely free to move. The reason why there are no ChatGPT competitors of EU origin is the same reason why there is no SpaceX competitor in Europe. And that's not necessarily anything to be ashamed of, it simply means that the USA has the advantage and that once you reach a certain concentration of wealth it tends to lead to further concentrations of wealth. 400 years ago Europe was ascendant, today it is Amer…

Your mentality is too defeatist. Certainly there are some structures in our countries that make it harder to achieve such successes, but nothing says we cannot restructure our countries and improve. It is really partly a lack of will and partly due to bad leadership.

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Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Meanwhile, where are all the ChatGPT competitors of EU origin? I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes.

> I feel ashamed to live on this side of the Atlantic, sometimes.

Let's not forget that DeepMind is of EU origin, and they were one of the forces that kick started this whole AI renaissance.

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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The EU privacy watchdog is doing its work in a pretty measured way, and has broad support among the population, at least the segment that I'm aware of. They stand between us and various companies that use our data for purposes never intended when the data was shared. The industry has had more than two decades to self regulate but instead of putting on the brakes it turned into an arms race, and the only way to stop t…

No. The biggest data hoarders are alive and well in Europe. The fines are the cost of doing business.

So we are in agreement: more and larger fines.

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The "right to be forgotten" could be done by filtering the input data to the AI model.

Theoretically, yes. But pragmatically, you can’t retrain the model each time someone requests to be forgotten.

There is a sub-field in ML about exactly that.

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It is literally 100X easier to launch an openai competitor than a spacex competitor. The latter requires massive upfront non-retrievable investment.

100X easier is probably true. That still doesn't make it easy in an absolute sense. Check out the founders of openai and see how many of them are from Europe. Then realize that they are in the United States for one reason only: access to money. No EU VC is going to be able to match the kind of funding that is available in the US, and the longer that situation persists the bigger the chance that there will never be a…

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Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Your mentality is too defeatist. Certainly there are some structures in our countries that make it harder to achieve such successes, but nothing says we cannot restructure our countries and improve. It is really partly a lack of will and partly due to bad leadership.

I'm pretty well versed in how the tech world is financed and based on a very large amount of experience it is plain obvious to me that even if the EU would come up with a viable competitor to ChatGPT before they would be a serious threat they would be bought out by US money. This is what wealth concentration is all about. You can't compete with an advantage like that.

That being said, as you've pointed out the concentration of wealth can (and does) move location over time.

So, clearly there is some way of competing with any "currently established" location. :)

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The GDPR is a very good piece of legislation. I fail to see where the awfulness is. Even if you discount the very significant new rights it gave to users, it did force all companies to actually think and take responsibility for what they collect. It’s a massive improvement from what was happening before.

Its too asymmetric for what would be a genuine mistake. Good legislation is fair. It actually makes big companies like facebook stronger as well and harder to compete for small ones. The easiest thing to do is actually just not offer services in the EU for a smaller company.

How so? Most of the rules only apply to companies of more than 250 employees or with large result and fines have always been applied with a lot of discernment. As usual on HN, I expect most people who complain about it to have absolutely no idea of what it actually is.

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If I am not wrong they have to announce to the authorities and customers the issue. OpenAI kept it quiet, not sure if they admitted anything yet, I got not email for sure to let me know that my data might have been leaked.

they released info on it the same week. https://openai.com/blog/march-20-chatgpt-outage If leaking the titles of other people's searches is illegal... I'm very much interested in how the EU is going to handle the twitter circles issue.

We will see, I am glad that know you are informed and know that if you leak private data you need to inform your customers and authorities. We know what happened when this laws were not in place, companies did hide this stuff and then the data was found on black markets much later after lot of pain was caused.

Re: European privacy watchdog creates ChatGPT task force

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Your mentality is too defeatist. Certainly there are some structures in our countries that make it harder to achieve such successes, but nothing says we cannot restructure our countries and improve. It is really partly a lack of will and partly due to bad leadership.

I'm pretty well versed in how the tech world is financed and based on a very large amount of experience it is plain obvious to me that even if the EU would come up with a viable competitor to ChatGPT before they would be a serious threat they would be bought out by US money. This is what wealth concentration is all about. You can't compete with an advantage like that.

So if Europe has great founders and great engineering culture why doesn’t exactly this happen more often? ;)

Seems to me we’re mostly busy doing what ChatGPT can now do automatically: building mediocre SaaS apps.

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