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Emacs is an operating system, not an editor; I'm really not sure why Stallman constantly promoted the "emacs vs. vi" meme. You might as well try to switch from Notepad to Linux. It's just a type error, and you'll have a bad time.
> Emacs is an operating system, not an editor what does it take for this tired and false meme to die?
(global-set-key (kbd "M-") #'completion-at-point-using-chatgpt)Actually, what's the fuss about Emacs being so good? I'm a hardcore vim user to the point that I've installed Vimium for browsers, use vim on my iPad as well. Someone please enlighten me with links, guides or just a comment as to what's in Emacs that makes it productive and special.
There's a lot of non-emacs filler but it's still the best emacs e-zine
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The default cursor movement commands probably predate emacs. Such that you are used to readline defaults. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24083753 is the first post I'm finding on that. That said, I'm curious what the weight of emacs was on you? If it was that you were wanting to be in the other editor, than it makes sense that you should stay in the other editor. But this is no different than a lot of things. I…
> what the weight of emacs was on you What I've noticed about emacs lovers is that they all customize it heavily - I didn't want to do that, since to me the point of using a plain text editor is that it's always available in exactly the same form wherever I happen to be. I did start to looking into all the ways to customize it, but at that point, I couldn't really see much benefit over just using an IDE. But that's j…
So you not customize vim either?
If you don't, you're missing out 99.999% of the greatness of both editors and doing yourself a huge disservice.
It's like being a carpenter and limiting yourself to only ever using a screwdriver.
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> what the weight of emacs was on you What I've noticed about emacs lovers is that they all customize it heavily - I didn't want to do that, since to me the point of using a plain text editor is that it's always available in exactly the same form wherever I happen to be. I did start to looking into all the ways to customize it, but at that point, I couldn't really see much benefit over just using an IDE. But that's j…
I've been using Emacs for more than 30 years and my init file is mostly loading and configuring extra packages, and not customizing the editing behavior. I have no problem working in a basic "emacs -q" session (which skips loading the init file) when I don't want to "pollute" my main session (eg. working with huge logs/dumps).
I've been a hardcore vi user pretty much my entire life, but I decided to force myself to spend a year using emacs a while back just to see what all the fuss was about. When the year was over and I "allowed" myself to return to vi, it was like a huge weight lifted off my shoulders... to this day I still don't see what the hype was about. On the plus side, though, I memorized the emacs cursor movement commands, which…
When I was at the university and started programming on UNIX, the professor said we should try both emacs and vi and see which we like better, and provided links to some tutorials. I tried them both and liked vi. Emacs seemed slower. In my undergraduate wisdom, I deemed emacs to be "stupid" and went on with my life using vi. After I had been programming professionally for about ten years, I decided that my harsh judg…
I switched from VSCode to Doom Emacs a couple of months ago. I've been using ChatGPT (GPT-4) to help me write config (~1,000 lines of elisp code so far) and it's been very interesting/fun. I'm not going back.
That's interesting. I've asked Bing Chat and ChatGPT several times to write me elisp code, and not once did it work well. It often invents APIs.
Actually, what's the fuss about Emacs being so good? I'm a hardcore vim user to the point that I've installed Vimium for browsers, use vim on my iPad as well. Someone please enlighten me with links, guides or just a comment as to what's in Emacs that makes it productive and special.
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Take a look at EmacsConf talks and count how many talks are not programming related. Start delving into the speaker's backgrounds as well. Hang out at the Emacs subreddit and you'll see a similar trend. Follow Sacha's weekly Emacs news and you'll see a similar trend. Some of the authors of very well known Emacs packages don't do programming for a living - in fact quite a few learned programming just so they could imp…
everything you refer to is less than 0.5% of emacs use maybe 0.2% of all emacs users even know EmacsConf exists maybe 1% know of Sacha Chua, doubt it though, probably 0.1% have heard of her easily over 99% of emacs use is for coding, actually that is low, if you snapshotted all emacs sessions in the world right now, more like 99.9% of them would be coding I'm not even sure why this is being debated
You're providing no data.
And so you're right - there is no debate.
I've been a hardcore vi user pretty much my entire life, but I decided to force myself to spend a year using emacs a while back just to see what all the fuss was about. When the year was over and I "allowed" myself to return to vi, it was like a huge weight lifted off my shoulders... to this day I still don't see what the hype was about. On the plus side, though, I memorized the emacs cursor movement commands, which…
What all the hype is about depends on how you use emacs, what you add to it and how you configure it. I used vi and vim for 25 years before switching to emacs, and I spent a ton of time making it very vim like. Now my emacs can do way more than vim ever did. Things like: - browse the web through emacs - read my email through emacs - use org-mode to take notes in outline format, with hyperlinks, tables, executable sou…
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Take a look at EmacsConf talks and count how many talks are not programming related. Start delving into the speaker's backgrounds as well. Hang out at the Emacs subreddit and you'll see a similar trend. Follow Sacha's weekly Emacs news and you'll see a similar trend. Some of the authors of very well known Emacs packages don't do programming for a living - in fact quite a few learned programming just so they could imp…