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Leader of Online Group Where Secret Documents Leaked Is Air National Guardsman

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Re: Leader of Online Group Where Secret Documents Leaked Is Air National Guardsman

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Post by klyrs »

pocketsand wrote: post #22
ChumpGPT wrote: post #11

Would a guy in his position even have access to these documents? I'm thinking that there has to be someone who shared them or at least shared a way to gain access to them. I'm sure the FBI will be following the trail of bread crumbs to the original source. Now if it turns out he is the original source, we're in huge trouble. Because a 21 year old kid working night shift in some remote Cape Cod office for the Massachu…

The dirty not-so-secret about national defense apparatus in this country is that there are thousands of people in these various sub-sub-wings of our military along side mediocre contractors cashing in on defense contracts who go through rudimentary security clearance checks and have access to all this information. I grew up outside DC and every so often you hear of the security clearance spooks interviewing you or so…

I was interviewed for a friend who was applying for clearance. They spent an awful lot of time asking me about his hypothetical interest in child porn. I didn't bother asking why at the time; I've been told that their primary interest in such questions is making sure that somebody doesn't have obvious points of leverage for blackmail.

Re: Leader of Online Group Where Secret Documents Leaked Is Air National Guardsman

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Post by r721 »

r721 wrote: post #3

>Later, someone who appeared to be Airman Teixeira drove onto the property in a red pickup truck. >When Times reporters approached the house again, the truck was parked in the driveway. Airman Teixeira’s mother and a man were standing outside in the driveway. >When asked if Airman Teixeira was there and willing to speak, the man said: “He needs to get an attorney if things are flowing the way they are going right now…

Thread: https://twitter.com/jason_paladino/status/164657496020971930...

UPD Arrest video: https://twitter.com/WCVB/status/1646581173185904640

Re: Leader of Online Group Where Secret Documents Leaked Is Air National Guardsman

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Post by baybal2 »

2022-11-07 wrote: post #14

This story just doesn't compute with me. A young guy (21) seemingly had access to all this information, and shared it despite being Portuguese (based on his last name) so seemingly not ethnically tied to Russia, shared it openly on Discord with his gaming club, a full document dump literally hundreds of pages not just screenshots or summaries, but not before faking some of the information, coordinated by a group that…

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Re: Leader of Online Group Where Secret Documents Leaked Is Air National Guardsman

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Post by zaroth »

refulgentis wrote: post #60
lsh123 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sure FBI will find that "Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case." as it usually does in cases of leaking classified info :) :) :)

Yeah secretary of state having IT set up a server for her blackberry in 2006 is the same as a 22 year old forcing 16 year olds on his discord to read top secret docs

Only in the sense that they both broke federal laws on the handling of classified documents. But only one of them will go to prison for it.

Re: Leader of Online Group Where Secret Documents Leaked Is Air National Guardsman

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Post by VLM »

2022-11-07 wrote: post #14

This story just doesn't compute with me. A young guy (21) seemingly had access to all this information, and shared it despite being Portuguese (based on his last name) so seemingly not ethnically tied to Russia, shared it openly on Discord with his gaming club, a full document dump literally hundreds of pages not just screenshots or summaries, but not before faking some of the information, coordinated by a group that…

People who don't understand the system think leaking classified data is either James Bond nonsense or its like Trade Secrets where once the cat's out of the bag and its public it doesn't matter.

Say you're arguing about the top speed of an aircraft carrier or some BS, the topic doesn't actually matter. The top speed is classified but you know what it is and its documented in writing you know what it is. You google for the public answer of the top speed. Some wise ass engineer on Quora uses basic fluid dynamics and hydrology principles to calculate it must be darn near Z knots and you know for a fact its exactly Z knots you plagiarize the guy or quote him, BAM if the NYT has an axe to grind about it, you're now a felon. That's how classified data works. Its content based not process based. You can't avoid prosecution using a google search or chatGPT log or a torrent file or a link to wikileaks as a magic shield, the legal structure doesn't work that way, sorry kid.

Another way to get caught is "wikipedia paraphrases the classified document I have including exact numbers and everything ... obviously my classified document must have been declassified a long time ago, no danger in quoting my original, right?" Nope, insta-felony.

Now usually if you avoid getting documented in the NYT, if you are just quoting some nonsense you downloaded from the internet that everyone has a copy of anyway, the punishment is not quite as severe as if you sold files to Russia in exchange for coke and hookers.

If everyone on the planet already knew about it except the American public who paid for it, usually not get into much trouble, but you will get into trouble.

It's an interesting security problem to guard against. If you want to F up the American War Machine almost for free, post a bunch of 'stolen' classified docs on some Portuguese (or whatever) web server and wait for the Americans to prosecute themselves for quoting the posts.

I had a clearance in the Army and no matter how many times they teach the class there's people who just don't get it, even if everyone in the world knows about ... Israeli nuclear weapons, for example, you personally are not allowed to talk about it once you're read in. Everyone on the planet can talk about it and every civvie can have a print out of those docs on their desk, but if you have a clearance you cannot talk about it.

Re: Leader of Online Group Where Secret Documents Leaked Is Air National Guardsman

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Post by OrvalWintermute »

ericmay wrote: post #54
pocketsand wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dirty not-so-secret about national defense apparatus in this country is that there are thousands of people in these various sub-sub-wings of our military along side mediocre contractors cashing in on defense contracts who go through rudimentary security clearance checks and have access to all this information. I grew up outside DC and every so often you hear of the security clearance spooks interviewing you or so…

> The other half make 200,000 dollars a year from a subcontractor of a subcontractor of Northrop Grumman pushing paper at a desk all year. That's what happens when you don't want the government to spend money actually hiring skilled employees. Instead we waste money trying to not waste money. The government could pay a very skilled developer $150k/year + benefits. But certain people think that the government only was…

For specific agencies with a great workforce, it is worse than this.

we've been losing a great deal of technical expertise recently to industry, where Fortune 500s are offering compensation packages 200% to 250% higher than the current compensation of federal contractors & technical civil servants.

Re: Leader of Online Group Where Secret Documents Leaked Is Air National Guardsman

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Post by tedunangst »

pocketsand wrote: post #22
ChumpGPT wrote: post #11

Would a guy in his position even have access to these documents? I'm thinking that there has to be someone who shared them or at least shared a way to gain access to them. I'm sure the FBI will be following the trail of bread crumbs to the original source. Now if it turns out he is the original source, we're in huge trouble. Because a 21 year old kid working night shift in some remote Cape Cod office for the Massachu…

The dirty not-so-secret about national defense apparatus in this country is that there are thousands of people in these various sub-sub-wings of our military along side mediocre contractors cashing in on defense contracts who go through rudimentary security clearance checks and have access to all this information. I grew up outside DC and every so often you hear of the security clearance spooks interviewing you or so…

Failure to adapt to changing threat models. Used to be extortion, now it's just boredom. I imagine there have always been a few bored guards taking stuff home to show off at poker night, but that was as far as it went back then.

Re: Leader of Online Group Where Secret Documents Leaked Is Air National Guardsman

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Post by localplume »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #59
etimberg wrote: post #5

Likely going to go away for a long while

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Is based off anything or just unnecessary political dividing rhetoric? If you want to be mad at a president pardoning a traitor be mad at Obama, since that was something that actually happened.
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