I'm curious: why exactly is being a "consumer" such a bad thing? I'm not necessarily saying I disagree, but I'm having trouble coming up with an explanation, and it seems like everyone is simply assuming that consumption is a bad thing.
Producer vs. Consumer
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#221. to be powerful. Being powerful makes them able to consume more, hence being more happy. People do everything to be more comfortable.
2. to solve peoples problems, make the world better place = to feed their internal ego, prove the world that he/she can be helpful. This is a subliminal instinct of humanbeing having the main goal is being powerful among other species. Being powerful - see point 1.
3. to make money. Having more money makes people able to consume more, without any problems.
Aren't there any producer without a goal gaining power to consume more? I don't know, maybe. Don't we always say that if we want people use our products first we should ask ourselves would I use it? If yes, this means you are a producer, because you made a problem-solving product. But this also means you are a consumer, because you would like to use it. Mark uses facebook. Is he a producer or consumer?
Do you know any producer that don't consume 100 times more than avarage consumers?!
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#23I'm curious: why exactly is being a "consumer" such a bad thing? I'm not necessarily saying I disagree, but I'm having trouble coming up with an explanation, and it seems like everyone is simply assuming that consumption is a bad thing.
It's about focus and goals which can only be achieved by concerted effort over a long period.
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#24This is a paradox. People create/produce because they want: 1. to be powerful. Being powerful makes them able to consume more, hence being more happy. People do everything to be more comfortable. 2. to solve peoples problems, make the world better place = to feed their internal ego, prove the world that he/she can be helpful. This is a subliminal instinct of humanbeing having the main goal is being powerful among oth…
And surely not 100x more than the average consumer.
You think Linus goes on reading blogs and watching movies all day?
Steve Jobs was quite a miimalist in how he lived. He even debated for months what furniture to buy -- and he lived for a while in an unfurnished apartment.
A huge lot of musicians when asked in interviews say the don't listen to much music besides what they work on.
Etc...
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#25I find that this pattern works really well for me, even if it's not at the start of my day. When I get home from work, I try to "produce" something, like writing a blog post, exercising, or spending an hour coding a side-project. As a result, I don't have the mental guilt about watching a movie, reading HN, or playing xbox later in the evening. I find if I do things in the reverse order (come home from work, plop dow…
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#26I'm curious: why exactly is being a "consumer" such a bad thing? I'm not necessarily saying I disagree, but I'm having trouble coming up with an explanation, and it seems like everyone is simply assuming that consumption is a bad thing.
Since consumers need producers and producers need consumers, you really can't argue that either one is inherently bad.
However, I would argue that our intent should be biased toward producing, since producing helps us grow. Consuming in this context has connotations of passivity, and while rest is important, too much rest will make us weak. Also, when you are consuming you can be mindless. When you are producing, you stretch your mind. Not only do you have to think about how to meet your goal, you have to think about what you are producing in context of value and other people. It's mind-expanding.
Also, it is natural for us to want to grow, so if we spend most of our time in passive consumption it will negatively affect our mood and sense of well-being in the world.
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#27I'm curious: why exactly is being a "consumer" such a bad thing? I'm not necessarily saying I disagree, but I'm having trouble coming up with an explanation, and it seems like everyone is simply assuming that consumption is a bad thing.
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#28This is a paradox. People create/produce because they want: 1. to be powerful. Being powerful makes them able to consume more, hence being more happy. People do everything to be more comfortable. 2. to solve peoples problems, make the world better place = to feed their internal ego, prove the world that he/she can be helpful. This is a subliminal instinct of humanbeing having the main goal is being powerful among oth…
Anyway, consider Buckminster Fuller as a counterexample to some of your points. He definitely had the spirit of a producer. Here is a quote from http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/automobiles/collectibles/1... :
Fuller was born in Massachusetts in 1895 and died
in 1983. He was admitted to Harvard twice, and twice
expelled. He went from job to job until he was broke.
After illness killed his young daughter, he had a
revelation. He determined to make his life “an
experiment to find what a single individual can
contribute to changing the world and benefiting all
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#29This is a paradox. People create/produce because they want: 1. to be powerful. Being powerful makes them able to consume more, hence being more happy. People do everything to be more comfortable. 2. to solve peoples problems, make the world better place = to feed their internal ego, prove the world that he/she can be helpful. This is a subliminal instinct of humanbeing having the main goal is being powerful among oth…
Lots of producers dont consume much. And surely not 100x more than the average consumer. You think Linus goes on reading blogs and watching movies all day? Steve Jobs was quite a miimalist in how he lived. He even debated for months what furniture to buy -- and he lived for a while in an unfurnished apartment. A huge lot of musicians when asked in interviews say the don't listen to much music besides what they work o…