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‘Overemployed’ Hustlers Exploit ChatGPT to Take on Even More Full-Time Jobs

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I don’t quite believe these stories but the obvious conclusion is to start your own consulting company where you are not limited by employment contracts…

Well.. Consultants are held to a higher standard than employees. As an outside consultant working 40 hours, I want to see the work that you did in 40 hours towards the end that I directed.

As an employee, there are emails, trainings, staff meetings, backlogged items, and a million other things that can take up your time. A manager comes to understand your output and sets his expectations accordingly. If you already have another full time job, you do what is asked of you but never more, they expect that from your line of work.

Additionally, as a consulting company you rarely have 'Active Clients' for years and years paying you to do full time work. It's a cycle with outside consultants and you always have to be 'Selling' outside of whatever retainer you charge.

Having two jobs provides a sense of 'stability' that consulting doesn't. But underneath is always the unstability of the 'if the employer found out'.

My friend was working two full time jobs and a couple of hickups caused him to miss a staff meeting for company A. So, he decided to fess up about his other employment at company B. Since he did it kind of akwardly ("Asking for a one-on-one with his manager and saying he had something to tell him"), the manager expected the worst. Come to find out the manager was relieved when he told him, becaause he though he was going to quit! Fresh on the success of Company A accepting his dual employement, he decided to tell company B. Company B fired him and threatened to sue him.

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I'd be very very curious to follow the life of all these "chatgpt does 80% of my work" people. Unless you code to-do list and sudoku html "apps" all day I doubt it's anywhere close to true

I strongly feel like this LLM hype should have revealed the bullshit job phenomenon [1] to the world. Instead nobody questions their bullshit reality, and assumes that if a program can perform in bullshit, it is as conscious as a person. [1]: Graeber https://www.atlasofplaces.com/essays/on-the-phenomenon-of-bu...

Alternatively, Graeber's whole thesis is bullshit: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/09500170211015...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly feel like this LLM hype should have revealed the bullshit job phenomenon [1] to the world. Instead nobody questions their bullshit reality, and assumes that if a program can perform in bullshit, it is as conscious as a person. [1]: Graeber https://www.atlasofplaces.com/essays/on-the-phenomenon-of-bu...

Maybe LLMs can reduce the work week at least. 30 hours, 20 hours even?

lmao, this is what economists, industrials and politicians told us since the 40s

Meanwhile we work more hours and retire later than back then. It's never been about reducing the working hours, and probably won't be for a long while

And not only that but the jobs that were once fulfilling and stable are now absolutely miserable and everything but stable, we lost the meaning of work

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Maybe LLMs can reduce the work week at least. 30 hours, 20 hours even?

It is shocking to me that people spend so little time thinking about the matter that they believe this would be a good thing.

I'm already working part time, happier than ever. I can't imagine a single scenario in which going from 40 to 30 hours work week would be negative, neither individually nor collectively.

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I'd be very very curious to follow the life of all these "chatgpt does 80% of my work" people. Unless you code to-do list and sudoku html "apps" all day I doubt it's anywhere close to true

Not all jobs are as intellectually demanding as software engineering.

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I don’t quite believe these stories but the obvious conclusion is to start your own consulting company where you are not limited by employment contracts…

At many (most?) companies in US, it's easier to get approval for an additional employee costing $90k/year forever, than to spend a one-off $50k on a consulting project.

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I'd be very very curious to follow the life of all these "chatgpt does 80% of my work" people. Unless you code to-do list and sudoku html "apps" all day I doubt it's anywhere close to true

I strongly feel like this LLM hype should have revealed the bullshit job phenomenon [1] to the world. Instead nobody questions their bullshit reality, and assumes that if a program can perform in bullshit, it is as conscious as a person. [1]: Graeber https://www.atlasofplaces.com/essays/on-the-phenomenon-of-bu...

Graeber's claim about bullshit jobs can be trivially dismissed. If there were actually many bullshit jobs in some profitable company then eventually a competitor with fewer bullshit jobs and thus lower costs would come in and eat their lunch. While middle managers in some organizations do engage in empire building to inflate their own importance, senior executives generally don't hesitate to cut costs by laying off unproductive employees. Their own bonuses and equity values depend on this.

There are certainly some bullshit jobs, especially in the public sector and non-profit space. But they are a tiny minority.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly feel like this LLM hype should have revealed the bullshit job phenomenon [1] to the world. Instead nobody questions their bullshit reality, and assumes that if a program can perform in bullshit, it is as conscious as a person. [1]: Graeber https://www.atlasofplaces.com/essays/on-the-phenomenon-of-bu...

Graeber's claim about bullshit jobs can be trivially dismissed. If there were actually many bullshit jobs in some profitable company then eventually a competitor with fewer bullshit jobs and thus lower costs would come in and eat their lunch. While middle managers in some organizations do engage in empire building to inflate their own importance, senior executives generally don't hesitate to cut costs by laying off u…

Naïve dismissal. People, businesses, economies are not rational agents. And competitors eat companies' lunches all the time.
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