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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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rubyn00bie wrote: post #48
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

Yeah the exact same thing happens with Portland every time it pops up on here. The HN audience by and large irrationally hates progressive policies and cities with them. It’s weird watching people here parrot the opinions of the corporate overlords.

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by dawatchusay »

danso wrote: post #64

People were so quick to assume the nature of the crime even when no info about a possible suspect had been publicly released. Check the quote tweets to Bob's 2019 tweet about "recognize that your black friends face challenges you don’t" https://www.twitter.com/crazybob/status/1181668744247930880/...

This made my heart sink

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

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Post by spacemadness »

mztwo wrote: post #22

As the news media and twitterverse peddled the whole "crime-ridden SF" angle, I felt myself getting drawn into the same topic and agreeing with numerous friends on how much the city has declined. This is a good reminder of how we gravitate towards powerful emotional narratives, which in the moment can feel absolutely true despite an utter lack of supporting facts on an individual murder case. I hope this brings some…

Is HN in the twitterverse? Because I sat back and watched people do the same thing here.

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Post by sharemywin »

yardie wrote: post #25

Watch how fast this falls out of the news cycle because it doesn’t align with America’s view of San Francisco. So far I’ve heard it was: a homeless person, a junkie, mentally ill, violent criminal common to San Francisco. Part of me felt this was personal. A stabbing you have to get fairly close. Bob Lee could know his killer. And I don’t know him well enough to know who he hung out with.

just to be fair "mentally ill" and "in tech" don't have to be mutually exclusive.

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Post by throw4736495 »

nemo44x wrote: post #61
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

> I wonder how likely it is that the same population will comment here to say, "I was wrong"? Sure, people were wrong in their assumption that the murder was random. At least that's how it looks now. We haven't heard the suspects side, but.... But wrong that SF has become a dangerous and mismanaged city? Murder isn't the only violent crime and a lot of crime goes unreported. People don't feel safe walking around and…

> People don't feel safe walking around and you can't just dismiss that. It's their "lived experience".

When I first visited Shanghai I was surprised how safe it felt.

Walking around at 3 AM and I didn't feel nervous at all.

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Post by jascii »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #97
TigeriusKirk wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So sorting by Violent Crime (Total), we see San Francisco is 37th out of the 100 listed.

Citing murder rates (and ignoring other crimes) is one of the preferred tactics of people who want to say that big cities have low crime rates. Police in big cities go after big crimes like murders, but tend to ignore "lesser" crimes, so as a result, gangsters and other career criminals stick to those lesser crimes, and generally do a lot more of them.

OP isn't citing murder rates, they're citing "violent crime (total)" as mentioned in the linked article.

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Post by Varqu »

positron6000 wrote: post #140
Varqu wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That data is sourced from the FBI's UCR program ( https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-an... ) which relies on _voluntary reporting_ from law enforcement agencies.

How does it influence the comparison?

EDIT:

There is no mention of UCR as data source, where did you get it from?

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/about-the-data/crime-rates

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