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What is it that you feel like you gain from being exposed to white nationalism? Being unfazed by horrors isn't a virtue, having scarred your soul like this isn't something to be proud of. You should be uncomfortable talking to a nazi! You should be more than uncomfortable!

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The notable bit was the killed in action numbers from the conflict: 17k Russian troops, and 70k on the Ukrainian side. Estimates from US and European leaders have been all over the map, some in this neighborhood, but others saying more Russians were KIA than were Ukrainians.

Those numbers are edited. Someone basically flipped the order of the digits, eg from 17k to 71k Ukrainian KiA. This is easily confirmed by the Russian aircraft losses; Oryx has many more visually confirmed losses than the edited number claims, and by its very nature Oryx's list is an underestimate. https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1644139100407054336?cxt...

Thanks for the link, had not realized there was more than one version out there. My numbers definitely appear to be tampered with (judging from the alignment).

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I really doubt there’s any academic rigor behind that tbh

The original claim was the NYT abuses anonymous sources without citing anyone. The NYT, in the only occurrence of "researchers say" in the article, literally quote a person who's written a book on the subject on the next line. We can move the goal post and now debate the person's credentials, but we can do that because we know their name.

He’s not a researcher though. He’s a lecturer.

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on that grounds it’s also not ok to be a capitalist… maybe I’m not familiar enough with communism but I didn’t think it inherently included genocide like white nationalism tends to?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge A money quote for those who can't be bothered to read: Ultimately, the Cambodian genocide led to the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people, around 25% of Cambodia's population. And people still want to be communists. Ideology is strange.

Is that not due to the specific regime regardless of the political ideology? Communism doesn't inherently include brutal totalitarian autocrats? we've certainly seen them under other systems as well.

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>... which has led the site to be the gutter it is now. ... now? It's felt like a cesspool for decades.

> decades 4chan hasn't... Oh god, 4chan has been around for almost 20 years. I'm getting old...

20 years this October. Weird stuff

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> free expression requires absolutely no limits But doesn't it? Usually it's the authoritarians, dictators and generally "bad guys" who need to limit speech, censor, burn books, etc.

Society isn’t a system we can reason about in absolutes. The spirit of the law says that you can’t tell “fire!” in a crowded building, I think we collectively agree that there are limitations on free speech and we’re fortunate to let the courts map out the nuance rather than a mob or a dictator.

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Which courts? American ones, that approve of affirmative action, or ours here, that don't? Do you really need courts to settle a verbal (well.. written) argument online? Yes, it's just one of many examples where cultural differences cause issues, and where two people consider themselves "good" and the other one "bad" and in turn, censor all speech, since both are racist in atleast some of the courts.

I guess I'm suggesting each countries courts of course decide what's best for their country. You imply (but I am not convinced) that there are serious consequences for having one opinion or the other on these "cross country" online communities. I suspect instead that for the more nuanced issues like affirmative action there will just be the usual arguing back and forth and little else.

Some of us appreciate that the internet effectively allows for discussion that is less popular in their own country.

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Wow that was content free. What is the actual info that was leaked?

How can you even tell what actual info was leaked? How can you tell if the info leaked in real?

We have entered into a era where the difference between real and fake is almost impossible to distinguish. Deep fakes and LLM's are going to change propoganda forever.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge A money quote for those who can't be bothered to read: Ultimately, the Cambodian genocide led to the deaths of 1.5 to 2 million people, around 25% of Cambodia's population. And people still want to be communists. Ideology is strange.

Is that not due to the specific regime regardless of the political ideology? Communism doesn't inherently include brutal totalitarian autocrats? we've certainly seen them under other systems as well.

> Communism doesn't inherently include brutal totalitarian autocrats?

It's a "smoking causes cancer" situation. Just because other things also cause cancer doesn't mean that smoking doesn't. Read up on the history, look at each communist country, see what they become. Smoking causes cancer.

There's just still a bunch of communists who deny it because it's uncomfortable. Just like Neo-Nazis are denying the holocaust. If they were proud of it, they wouldn't deny it. They're not, but they'd like to keep the rest of their worldview intact and pretend that it didn't happen. Don't be like that, look at the history.

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