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Re: ‘Overemployed’ Hustlers Exploit ChatGPT to Take on Even More Full-Time Jobs

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Post by VBprogrammer »

jameshush wrote: post #5
theGnuMe wrote: post #2

I don’t quite believe these stories but the obvious conclusion is to start your own consulting company where you are not limited by employment contracts…

Exactly. Why be sneaky when you could go the tried and true consulting -> productized consulting -> product route without worrying about losing your reputation?

I'm sure there are a lot of companies where hiring people is (perhaps inexplicably) much harder than taking in consultants. I think some of these people are taking advantage of situations where employers are wrongly preferring employees to consultants.

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#12

Post by Beaver117 »

epilys wrote: post #10
lm28469 wrote: post #7

I'd be very very curious to follow the life of all these "chatgpt does 80% of my work" people. Unless you code to-do list and sudoku html "apps" all day I doubt it's anywhere close to true

I strongly feel like this LLM hype should have revealed the bullshit job phenomenon [1] to the world. Instead nobody questions their bullshit reality, and assumes that if a program can perform in bullshit, it is as conscious as a person. [1]: Graeber https://www.atlasofplaces.com/essays/on-the-phenomenon-of-bu...

Maybe LLMs can reduce the work week at least. 30 hours, 20 hours even?

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Post by Beaver117 »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #11
jameshush wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Why be sneaky when you could go the tried and true consulting -> productized consulting -> product route without worrying about losing your reputation?

I'm sure there are a lot of companies where hiring people is (perhaps inexplicably) much harder than taking in consultants. I think some of these people are taking advantage of situations where employers are wrongly preferring employees to consultants.

Also perhaps hiring standards have just become too crazy. Most tech companies make us jump through so many hoops that only the top lets say 1% make it through. Well that same 1% can probably also make it through every other company's hoops too. So theoretically they can get as many jobs as they want.

But companies don't want to hire the top 25% or middle 25% they leave these hoops to filter average candidates out

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#14

Post by sharemywin »

turnsout wrote: post #6
theGnuMe wrote: post #2

I don’t quite believe these stories but the obvious conclusion is to start your own consulting company where you are not limited by employment contracts…

…and watch as SW consulting engagements go from $50,000 to $50. I fear we’re racing to commoditize ourselves. Will we look back at the hiring frenzy of 2021 as the peak?

the labor market has always been a race to the bottom. I think the last 20-30 years has been an exception.

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Post by sharemywin »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #11
jameshush wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Why be sneaky when you could go the tried and true consulting -> productized consulting -> product route without worrying about losing your reputation?

I'm sure there are a lot of companies where hiring people is (perhaps inexplicably) much harder than taking in consultants. I think some of these people are taking advantage of situations where employers are wrongly preferring employees to consultants.

most large companies only go through specific companies for traditional software development roles.

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Post by rk06 »

theGnuMe wrote: post #2

I don’t quite believe these stories but the obvious conclusion is to start your own consulting company where you are not limited by employment contracts…

A lot of job descriptions are basically data processing manually I.e. take data from one software and compile them in excel sheet. I recall automating 30hrs per week of efforts completely over the course of an year, just to scratch my itch.

It goes without saying that my automation produced correct results and in seconds. And do not need another manual check.

As a software engineer, chatgpt can’t completely replace my job. But anyone who doesn’t write code is a fair game.

Re: ‘Overemployed’ Hustlers Exploit ChatGPT to Take on Even More Full-Time Jobs

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Post by loonginthetooth »

Beaver117 wrote: post #12
epilys wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly feel like this LLM hype should have revealed the bullshit job phenomenon [1] to the world. Instead nobody questions their bullshit reality, and assumes that if a program can perform in bullshit, it is as conscious as a person. [1]: Graeber https://www.atlasofplaces.com/essays/on-the-phenomenon-of-bu...

Maybe LLMs can reduce the work week at least. 30 hours, 20 hours even?

It is shocking to me that people spend so little time thinking about the matter that they believe this would be a good thing.

Re: ‘Overemployed’ Hustlers Exploit ChatGPT to Take on Even More Full-Time Jobs

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Post by pixl97 »

Beaver117 wrote: post #12
epilys wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly feel like this LLM hype should have revealed the bullshit job phenomenon [1] to the world. Instead nobody questions their bullshit reality, and assumes that if a program can perform in bullshit, it is as conscious as a person. [1]: Graeber https://www.atlasofplaces.com/essays/on-the-phenomenon-of-bu...

Maybe LLMs can reduce the work week at least. 30 hours, 20 hours even?

At the end of the day how much work can be reduced doesn't matter as long as the people that we end up are the type that would bring the universe to an early heat death just so they could say they had one more dollar than another person.

Not solving greed before creating AI might be humanities final mistake.

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Post by sharemywin »

sharemywin wrote: post #14
turnsout wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

…and watch as SW consulting engagements go from $50,000 to $50. I fear we’re racing to commoditize ourselves. Will we look back at the hiring frenzy of 2021 as the peak?

the labor market has always been a race to the bottom. I think the last 20-30 years has been an exception.

all commodity markets are a race to the bottom. In the labor market if you have too specialized of skills you risk not finding employment but if you generalize it's a race to the bottom. There's been a massive amount of capital that's entered the market through the fed in the last 20 years which has driven up asset prices allowing for a lot of money to be spent on "building" web 2.0. also trading with china has allowed a lot of manufacturing to get done at really low cost. managing all that capital and moving of goods has created a bubble in automating paper pushing.

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Post by Teever »

loonginthetooth wrote: post #17
Beaver117 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe LLMs can reduce the work week at least. 30 hours, 20 hours even?

It is shocking to me that people spend so little time thinking about the matter that they believe this would be a good thing.

Oh but they have.[0]

Would you like to share why you feel that it would be a bad thing for people to have more free time? Do you think that the current levels of free time that people have is optimal? Why or why not?

[0] https://harpers.org/archive/1932/10/in-praise-of-idleness/

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