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Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by dannyw »

bombcar wrote: post #103
eknkc wrote: post #78

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It is not compatible with a lot of stuff. Can't subscribe to youtube premium family. Can't use android automotive. Can't use this that etc. I switched to my old basic google account for google services and probably move my domains away from gsuite at this point.

I still have the weird issue where I have a google domain with email and stuff, and the same email address is somehow also a separate google account of the personal variety. No idea how it somehow kinda works and when it’ll finally explode in my face.

This is perfectly supported.

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by joezydeco »

bombcar wrote: post #103
eknkc wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not compatible with a lot of stuff. Can't subscribe to youtube premium family. Can't use android automotive. Can't use this that etc. I switched to my old basic google account for google services and probably move my domains away from gsuite at this point.

I still have the weird issue where I have a google domain with email and stuff, and the same email address is somehow also a separate google account of the personal variety. No idea how it somehow kinda works and when it’ll finally explode in my face.

Get your domain hosted by another service, pronto. You're risking losing everything if Google decides to brick your account(s) by decision or accident.

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by zemvpferreira »

imgabe wrote: post #63
ed_mercer wrote: post #28

Why does Google get grilled so badly for pulling products? Don’t other companies do the exact same thing, and isn’t it their full right to abandon projects when it no longer makes sense?

Other companies kill projects when they’ve clearly failed and basically nobody is using. Google will kill things that are moderately successful and people are dependent on, but they aren’t a blockbuster success that makes a difference compared to their ad revenue. But mostly we’ve just never forgiven them for killing Google Reader. And we never will.

Amen on Google Reader, makes me sad to this day. I ended up migrating to Bazqux, which has been a great service in the same philosophy.

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by amenghra »

arcbyte wrote: post #112
londons_explore wrote: post #100

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They really just need clear branding between "This is a side project, we might take it away with just a months notice" and "This is a product we will give you many years notice and a migration path if we decide to get rid of it". I think they should label everything in the former category "experimental". Put the label right in the logo so it is really obvious.

They used to do public betas. I remember Gmail being labeled beta in the early days.

Gmail was in beta for 5 years, from 2004 until 2009 — imho it didn’t make much sense to label something as beta when it is used by ~1B people.

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jabradoodle wrote: post #115
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #98

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> Half of this list is side projects which didn't work out, which is understandable to a certain degree What happens to the people who bet on them? Do they even have a point of contact if e.g. an integration breaks? That’s the point. They’re half-baked products being put out and pulled with no care in the world. That’s the brand. Which means when a Stadia comes out, a product that could have worked if people trusted…

> Because half the crap Google ships are “side projects which didn’t work out,” a list which apparently now includes its cloud. What do you mean by this? It seems GCP has around 10pc market share and growing.

Google Cloud “is under pressure from top management to pass Amazon or Microsoft—currently first and second, respectively, in cloud market share—or risk losing funding” [1].

[1] https://www.theinformation.com/articles/google-brass-set-202...

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by baryphonic »

LeBit wrote: post #34
onion2k wrote: post #23

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It’s interesting to me that they continue to spawn and nix products like this despite the reputation damage it causes. I think the 'problem' is that reputation damage doesn't really impact Google's revenue. They get the overwhelming majority of their money from publishing adverts, with a significant amount on their own properties (search and YouTube). It really doesn't matter if a bunch of gamers decide Stadia screwe…

Google Search is in great perils because of ChatGPT.

I keep seeing this – it's a meme at this point – and I don't get it. Answering questions truthfully from a broad set of data while citing sources seems to be ChatGPT's major weakness. It routinely "hallucinates," even with better prompting. It's much better at helping generate prose based on the prompt.

I don't even buy the idea that "exponential growth" will improve things. One of the few things OpenAI is still open about is that they will keep adding more parameters at any cost. Techniques to reinforce truthful responses or even provide confidence based on whether the response involves out-of-sample & out-of-prompt guessing (i.e. BSing) seem not to be a priority.

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by Dalewyn »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #81
jsnell wrote: post #69

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Amazon and Microsoft would have graveyeards just as large, if compiled via the same criteria. You know all that shit Google gets about chat apps? Microsoft has also launched and killed more than a dozen of them. Jeff Bezos used to brag about how many failed products they launched and killed. So it comes back to the question that ed_mercer had: why is there such a double standard? Why does somebody obsessively maintai…

> Microsoft has also launched and killed more than a dozen of them Microsoft is religious about maintaining backward compatibility and support. They also have some concept of service, which makes cancellations smoother. (All this makes product development aware of the costs of abandonment. Google doesn’t have that in its culture, and it’s a constant problem with hiring from them now.)

I think this is what makes the receptions between Microsoft and Google's axings different, the former at least tries to axe things with some cushioning while Google just offs things like it's Tuesday.

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by jacquesm »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #98
remirk wrote: post #29

The dedicated Streetview app was finally killed because streetview is already integrated in regular google maps. To me, that seems like a good reason to discontinue the dedicated app. I don't get the reasoning behind this article. Half of this list is side projects which didn't work out, which is understandable to a certain degree. The article feels like blogspam riding on the hypetrain of people disliking when googl…

> Half of this list is side projects which didn't work out, which is understandable to a certain degree What happens to the people who bet on them? Do they even have a point of contact if e.g. an integration breaks? That’s the point. They’re half-baked products being put out and pulled with no care in the world. That’s the brand. Which means when a Stadia comes out, a product that could have worked if people trusted…

Google really messed up their roll outs of new products so often that it is almost a meme.

You'd be hard pressed to pick a 'worst', between Google Glass, Google Plus, Google Wave and so on the list is long and getting longer all the time. It would be a lot smarter if they launched these separately so that they do not impact the trust relationship people have with their main brand. I don't know any other company besides Yahoo that has managed this in such a terrible way.

Re: Google has already pulled six products in 2023

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Post by nly »

LeBit wrote: post #34
onion2k wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting to me that they continue to spawn and nix products like this despite the reputation damage it causes. I think the 'problem' is that reputation damage doesn't really impact Google's revenue. They get the overwhelming majority of their money from publishing adverts, with a significant amount on their own properties (search and YouTube). It really doesn't matter if a bunch of gamers decide Stadia screwe…

Google Search is in great perils because of ChatGPT.

You can't serve ads in GPT chatbot responses.
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