After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case • Hacker News Board

vidarh wrote: post #244

MrPatan wrote: post #224

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You're damn right children can't consent to anything! That is exactly the point! Which is why the parents are the ones in charge, and why it's alarming that for irreversible sterilizing and life-altering procedures they're trying to remove the parents. It's insane, as you very well put it. They can't get a tattoo, too permanent, but they can get their tits chopped off. Makes total sense, yeah.

And yet you're making the insane argument against the treatment (puberty blockers) that is fully reversible and reduces the need for making irreversible decisions at such a young age. And in doing so you're arguing for imposing drastic, life altering and harmful effects on those for whom their dysphoria does not resolve. It's a deeply nasty level of authoritarian overreach to be prepared to force such harm on people…

Puberty blockers are risky and can have non-reversible consequences. Your wishing them not to doesn't change that fact.

Plus, on top of the medical risks, starting on puberty blockers will make confused kids who didn't need them more likely to get surgeries later. That's bad, and yes, it's a trade off between not unnecessarily medicalizing confused kids and "helping" "real dysphoria" cases earlier. And I'm telling you very clearly that the answer depends on how many there are of those, but you don't want to engage with the question. Because there just aren't that many "real dysphoria" cases.

And let me preempt your next bad argument: No, a doctor can't tell them apart. That's where we are now, and they get a "dysphoria stamp" after a visit. The incentives are not aligned, they just want the money.

The goal posts have always been firmly on "Don't mess with children". I've told you many times, nobody cares what adults do, sex change surgeries have been around for a long time and nobody cares. Nobody wants to ban them on adults.

But don't mess with kids.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by throwawaylinux » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 10:17 AM UTC

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #322

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You seem to have confused your insults and arrogance for insight. There's no ideology involved, only breaking the social contract and hurting others. I'd refer you to Scanlon.

Always funny to hear people making lists of minorities and undesirables defend themselves. None of what you're coming up with is new.

Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case

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Post by PartiallyTyped » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 10:44 AM UTC

throwawaylinux wrote: post #339

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #322

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You seem to have confused your insults and arrogance for insight. There's no ideology involved, only breaking the social contract and hurting others. I'd refer you to Scanlon.

Always funny to hear people making lists of minorities and undesirables defend themselves. None of what you're coming up with is new.

It's not a list of minorities, it's also not a list of undesirables.

Listing the actions of individuals has no inherent morality. The morality of the actions is decided by the broader society.

You keep painting them as victims when the list is only outlining their actions. If you have done no harm, you have nothing to fear.