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After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case
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#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Cis/hetero-normativity is sexual ideology though Actually, we call it "instinct". You know, how animals know to have sex with each other and make babies. It's hilarious anyone can refer to it as ideological with a straight face. It's disingenuous.
Rape is also "instinct." We can do better.
What a shit argument. If rape was instinct this world would be a lot different. But you knew that. Disingenuous.
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Many people regret surgeries and similar. Should we ban knee surgery? Hip replacements? Should teenage girls be barred from breast reduction surgery? If not, can you clearly differentiate between these cases?
The things you listed are physical ailments. The last time we treated mental illness with surgery, it was called a lobotomy.
Why does it matter if it's physical or mental? People regret all those surgeries at a much, much higher rate. Incredibly few trans people do, and those that transition are much less likely to commit suicide.
But I somehow get the feeling that's not a good thing for everyone.
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> I think it was Hermann Hesse who wrote that "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." This sounds nice and pithy, but it's trivial to debunk. Beheading someone is not part of myself, but it most certainly disturbs me. And I certainly wouldn't be hating something in myself by hating someone who perpetrated such a grisly crime.
So you know yourself 100% then?
Yeah, THAT'S totally the takeaway from this discussion.
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>No! What you have here is a bunch of confused girls that will do whatever tiktok influencers tell them to do. Do nothing and it'll pass in 99.99% of the cases. The evidence does not support this claim. You're flat out making shit up to argue for denying treatment to people who untreated are at great risk of harm. However, it is right that it resolves for many. This is why puberty blockers are important as a means to…
You keep conflating adults with children. It's not the same. Nobody cares what adults do. They do have agency over their own life and I defend their freedom to fuck themselves up in the most creative way they can think up. But don't go after children. There is a reason they can't legally consent to many things. It's too easy to manipulate children to make really bad decisions they later regret, so at least lets not m…
You keep moving goalposts. Nobody here has argued for "going after children". Nobody here has argued in favour of more surgeries for children. Exactly the opposite: We've argued for puberty blockers exactly to preserve their ability to choose not to be subjected to immense harm by letting them as much as possible defer decisions until they are old enough to make an informed choice.
I do have children, and that is exactly why your willingness to let children be subjected to immense harm makes me as angry as it does. Your authoritarian, oppressive desire to deprive children of medical treatment is flat out evil to me.
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#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh, look, instead of looking for actual evidence, you double down on trying to justify the choice of a known transphobic activist. Google a bit deeper. Of course, given your growing number of comments in this thread flagged for your own transphobic responses it's not surprising.
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0.2%-0.3% regret: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8105823/ 1% regret: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33968550/ Meanwhile, finding actual studies of regret of cosmetic surgery is much harder, because nobody cares or want to stop people from getting boob jobs unless they're trans . So we're stuck with poor quality surveys like this one [1] claiming 65% regret, this one done for a group with a profit motiv…
The first study is a survey of surgeons, which seems rather useless. What warrants the assumptions that they would learn about the long term outcomes of their surgeries? The second claims to have looked into several studies, which might include ones like the first one. Would be nice to have an actually useful direct study, especially for young people. As for cosmetic surgery, you brought that up. I don't think it is…
Find better ones countering what I've shown then, instead of speculating. But we both know you won't.
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so why aren’t my gay friends on that list? After all, if they are being bullied because they are gay, all gay people should be listed on there.
Presumably because their behavior does not breach what the list maker deems acceptable. > After all, if they are being bullied because they are gay, all gay people should be listed on there. I don't know what you mean. That's not a gotcha.
> Presumably because their behavior does not breach what the list maker deems acceptable.
So it’s not because they are gay, it’s their behaviour.
I am glad we finally agreed though I am sad we had to spend as many steps to reach this conclusion.
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#320In Norway, this fire was lit by a high ranking police officer in the state criminal police, it's "FBI". Many people was hurt, falsely convicted and many lives was destroyed. In the police, and in the child abuse industry, money was made and careers built on these lies. The police officer who brought this mental pest to Norway was eventually arrested, naked, hiding behind a bush in his neighbors garden - spying on a l…
> I think it was Hermann Hesse who wrote that "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." This sounds nice and pithy, but it's trivial to debunk. Beheading someone is not part of myself, but it most certainly disturbs me. And I certainly wouldn't be hating something in myself by hating someone who perpetrated such a grisly crime.
It's speaking to Jungian idea of the shadow; you're not meant to take it so literally.