State of AI co-author: we must slow down the race to god-like AI

Here's the thing, current computational power isn't enough to achieve the scale of model that would be required for "god like" AI. So isn't that kind of a natural brake, where we have to wait for computing speed to catch up with our ambitions? Why do we need additional handicaps and slowdowns on top of that?

I've seen a theory that the big tech companies are the ones pushing for regulation in order to achieve regulatory capture of this powerful new technology, which seems like a compelling theory indeed...

Re: State of AI co-author: we must slow down the race to god-like AI

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Post by synaesthesisx » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:06 AM UTC

No - absolutely not. Slowing down innovation in the face with vague “existential risk” fearmongering is absurd.

We should be pursuing the opposite, and accelerating efforts to build what will be some of the most transformative technology humanity has ever developed (and some could argue, NOT building has its own existential risks).

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Post by dogma1138 » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:09 AM UTC

coolspot wrote: post #2

I, for one, welcome our new AGI overlord(s).

I’m ok with that as long as it doesn’t start spewing 9 digit numbers…

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Post by gsatic » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:18 AM UTC

uejfiweun wrote: post #5

Here's the thing, current computational power isn't enough to achieve the scale of model that would be required for "god like" AI. So isn't that kind of a natural brake, where we have to wait for computing speed to catch up with our ambitions? Why do we need additional handicaps and slowdowns on top of that? I've seen a theory that the big tech companies are the ones pushing for regulation in order to achieve regulat…

Yup Big tech, which is really big advertising if you take Google+Meta online ad market share, get their main revenue from Likes/clicks/links/views counting + personal data. As info exploded you needed this crap to work out what to show ppl.

And ppl have learnt how to accumulate status/power/cash by gaming those numbers.

Chat-GPT et al dont rely on any of these number. So all the infrastructure of the Advertising-Industrial Attention capture complex can be thrown in the sea. Which should have been done long ago but we got free email, video, chat, games, movies etc so we gave away attention for free.

Behind the morons talking abt "god like" ai and similar ridiculous bullshit are mainly ppl worried about how they are going to capture the chimp troupes attention(and through it cash/status/power), if the tools they have relied on arent going to work anymore.

Eventually AI startups will end up where Google and Facebook ended up cause how else to fund their server farms? Subscriptions are never enough. Just ask Newspapers or Netflix.

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Post by ChatGTP » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:18 AM UTC

synaesthesisx wrote: post #6

No - absolutely not. Slowing down innovation in the face with vague “existential risk” fearmongering is absurd. We should be pursuing the opposite, and accelerating efforts to build what will be some of the most transformative technology humanity has ever developed (and some could argue, NOT building has its own existential risks).

Do you have any solutions to the (admittedly theoretical ) existential problems that will likely arise ?

I see the problem more like, a fail is an all or nothing fail, that’s it, everyone dies, maybe including the ASI (goes rogue and destroys itself and us), then what? Good outcome for anyone if we don’t understand what we’re doing?

I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong, or we need to stop, but I mean, we do share a planet with other species and children who probably have good lives ahead of them. So why rush into potential disaster, what is the actual hurry?

I know that many Silicon Valley elders are getting older and facing the inevitable, they see ASI as a way out of their own mortality. They’ve believed this for many years if you look at old footage, so giving up that dream is probably very hard to do at this point. But I do see it as a large reason for the push. Time is running out for the mega wealthy. I honestly empathise with them too, but I don’t think it’s fare to say everyone wants to deal with the risk.

I empathize with everyone damn it.

I just don’t want to witness the “he chose poorly” scene at the end of Indiana Jones happening for real on a global scale.

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Post by flangola7 » Thu, Apr 13, 2023, 6:19 AM UTC

uejfiweun wrote: post #5

Here's the thing, current computational power isn't enough to achieve the scale of model that would be required for "god like" AI. So isn't that kind of a natural brake, where we have to wait for computing speed to catch up with our ambitions? Why do we need additional handicaps and slowdowns on top of that? I've seen a theory that the big tech companies are the ones pushing for regulation in order to achieve regulat…

> Here's the thing, current computational power isn't enough to achieve the scale of model that would be required for "god like" AI.

I don't see how that is the case at all. The human brain only needs about 100 watts. A GPT-3 instance only needs a few GPUs and maybe 1000 watts. GPT-4 is presumably in the same ballpark, let's say 10000 watts to be generous (even though it's probably closer to 1000 too), but still small enough to fit inside a full height rack.

Many datacenters are megawatt-level. Seeing how GPT-4 is already human-level at many tasks and watt-to-subjective-capability increases seem to grow linearly at worst, an AI could be ran in a single data center and perform 100x GPT-4 abilities. I'm not sure what 10x, much less 100x GPT-4 abilities would be, but that sure sounds like godlike or near-god to me.