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The U.S. cracked a $3.4B crypto heist and Bitcoin’s anonymity

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Re: The U.S. cracked a $3.4B crypto heist and Bitcoin’s anonymity

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Say it with me: "Bitcoin is not, and never was, anonymous."

That is not true. The original Satoshi paper has a whole section about it. So the intention of privacy was - at least in theory - there from the beginning.

Intention is ontogically nonexistant besides ideally bending the unravelling of time, does not render the idea manifested.

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The statute of limitation for wire fraud is 5 years. How did he get charged under that statute when he stole funds from Silk Road in 2012? Did they charge him for converting BCH into BTC in 2017? I tried to look up the case but couldn't find anything that shed a light on that.

Plea hearing is fun reading: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.58... > So, Mr. Zhong, the statute of limitations for the crime you're charged with in the information is five years. Accordingly, you could argue that the time to prosecute you for this crime has passed, and that the crime is now time barred; you can no longer be prosecuted. Have you discussed this with Mr. Bachner? > THE DEFENDAN…

He gave up the coins because his lawyer probably advised him the statute of limitations would not apply here or hold up. If it did apply there would be no case at all, full stop. So a plea is better than facing up to 20 years.

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Only if you and everyone you ever deal with have perfect security. As soon as one person’s identity is leaked, that opens the possibility of a real-world ID being linked to a wallet. This story from about a year ago also showed how that worked with investigators tracing it link by link: https://www.wired.com/story/tracers-in-the-dark-welcome-to-v...

Future proof security. I think that people discount that aspect of it. If your identity is cracked at any point in the future, perhaps using methods yet to be invented, all your transactions will still be there on the blockchain. I once heard someone refer to the blockchain as prosecution futures, and that is about right.

This is the kind of thing that Monero and team solved iirc.

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#164
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It's part of a plea agreement. In a plea agreement the defendant gives up certain rights in exchange for other sentencing considerations. They were worried they'd get a worse sentence at trial, so they plead to get a better deal. They didn't just give up their rights...

It sounds like they did give up their rights! Or else! Sorry, but there's no reading of it where a plea deal isn't threatening unreasonable punishment if you refuse to forfeit your rights.

that is how it works. plea guilty or else roll the dice and likely spend a huge time in jail

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except that person(s) you gave and received the cash from know who you are.

Are Bitcoin ATM's still a thing? There used to be one in a coffee shop near where I lived. If I deposited cash and wore a facemask and sunglasses, how would anyone ever know who did the transaction?

A couple months ago, I was incredulous when I noticed about a half dozen of them on google maps within a mile radius of where I am in San Jose. I haven't gone looking for them physically, though.

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I know right?!? The WHOLE PREMISE of it was that it is an OPEN LEDGER...! I'm not sure how this persistent myth of it being a way to secretly make payments got around and stuck so well... maybe the "crypto" in the name?

"Open" is a heavily overloaded term. One of the main premises of Bitcoin is tamperproofness and permissionless participation. That in itself does not equate to lack of anonymity. Just have a look at Zcash[0] or Monero[1]. In general, the idea that openness and anonymity are in conflict with each other has not been true for at least 40 years. There's entire field of mathematics dedicated to solving this problem known…

yeah but zcash and monero are not bitcoin. and again, your transaction and back into bitcoin are completely open and trackable by anyone.

Re: The U.S. cracked a $3.4B crypto heist and Bitcoin’s anonymity

#167
post #19

Say it with me: "Bitcoin is not, and never was, anonymous."

I know right?!? The WHOLE PREMISE of it was that it is an OPEN LEDGER...! I'm not sure how this persistent myth of it being a way to secretly make payments got around and stuck so well... maybe the "crypto" in the name?

it was the early use the in the DNMs. After all why would they be using it if if could be traced? Of course there was ignorance at some of the opsec and other methods those sellers were using.

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except that person(s) you gave and received the cash from know who you are.

Are Bitcoin ATM's still a thing? There used to be one in a coffee shop near where I lived. If I deposited cash and wore a facemask and sunglasses, how would anyone ever know who did the transaction?

They require a phone number and an ID in some cases. Their exchange rates are normally not great either.

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#169
post #32

The statute of limitation for wire fraud is 5 years. How did he get charged under that statute when he stole funds from Silk Road in 2012? Did they charge him for converting BCH into BTC in 2017? I tried to look up the case but couldn't find anything that shed a light on that.

> The statute of limitation for wire fraud is 5 years. How did he get charged under that statute when he stole funds from Silk Road in 2012? This is a very simplistic view and this mistake is made a lot. There are several reasons why the statute of limitations could either be longer than 5 years or not yet expired even though it is 5 years: - Tolling. This is when the suspect exits your jurisdiction, preventing you f…

Is the limitation in relation to being penalised for a crime, or somebody being wanted for a crime?

If there was a police report about a crime, if the police were unable to determine who committed the crime but at a later date could do so beyond reasonable doubt?

What if the perpetrator evades police for 5 years but remains in-state?

What’s your location also, that would be relevant to the laws your referring to.

Re: The U.S. cracked a $3.4B crypto heist and Bitcoin’s anonymity

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What part of the constitution prohibits banning software?

The First Amendment.

Indeed, which is why you can get the Tornado source code off of github: https://github.com/tornado-repositories

However, actually running the code to facilitate North Korean hackers launder money and personally profiting off of it? That's not covered by the first amendment, and I sincerely urge you to not try to find that out in the hard way.

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