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Post by marcosdumay »

lisasays wrote: post #222
enlyth wrote: post #83

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Yeah you can argue that /pol/ sways far right and you'd be correct, and I don't personally condone most of the opinions that are represented there, but take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. I can't think of any other site that has this. Any other website following the classical formula of pseudonyms and upvotes/downvotes, like Reddit, h…

Take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. And this is ... a good thing?

This doesn't make a site right-wing.

I don't think it's good, that's why I don't go there. But the discussion was never whether it was good.

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Post by TechBro8615 »

vulcan01 wrote: post #212
TechBro8615 wrote: post #140

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> I research far right extremism professionally Please elaborate. This is a common claim among "disinformation experts," when what they really mean is they occasionally browse /pol/ while telling themselves it's an academic exercise and they're obviously better than everyone posting on that "cesspool." If reading /pol/ for hours a day is enough to say you "research far right extremism professionally," then I'd posit…

This comment is written in bad faith - generally on HN we try to take what people say at face value. They said they research far-right extremism professionally. The good-faith interpretation is that they do this as part of their job, as that is what "professionally" means.

I'm skeptical that any such job exists.

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Post by kajaktum »

plaguepilled wrote: post #224
yodon wrote: post #155

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>Is Discord PR active in this thread? ... >I was joking This might be a good opportunity to read up again on Poe's law[0]. It pretty much always applies when one tries to make jokes like this on the web. Sarcasm and irony only work as intended when talking with people who know you personally or with people who assume they know your viewpoints. If people don't have reason to believe they know your viewpoint, they hear…

Poe's law is hot garbage though. If someone misses context because they're not privy to sarcasm, that isn't automatically the speaker's fault.

Sarcasm doesn’t work with text based medium.

Is this sarcasm?

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Post by imgabe »

sbuttgereit wrote: post #118
ctvo wrote: post #106

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> Dark humor about race or ideology can eventually shape the beliefs of impressionable young people, and innocuous memes can be co-opted into symbols of hatred, researchers say. Immediately following this paragraph is a quote from a researcher: > “If you’re a young man with no prospects hanging out on 4chan, you’re definitely on some Discords and probably some pretty dark Discords,” said Dale Beran, a lecturer at Mor…

"Dale Beran - Lecturer/ Animation Coordinator , Screenwriting and Animation" Researcher, perhaps, but seems to not be what his credentials or college role is about. https://www.morgan.edu/screenwriting-and-animation/faculty-a...

"Lecturer" is a non-tenure-track position that means you get paid a few thousand dollars to teach a class. This person doesn't even have a PhD.

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Post by rvba »

latency-guy2 wrote: post #244
jjeaff wrote: post #203

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Whether it's valid or not, authoring a book on a particular subject usually qualifies someone as an expert on a subject. Especially if it is on an esoteric and modern subject like online socializing.

I know of someone who published a book on Golang in 2010. The rating of that book is sitting in the 3s out of 5 stars last I checked 6 years ago. Is he an expert at Go? Not in my most humblest opinion, is the content of the book good? Also a no in my honest, must charitable view. How far did he get with showing people how to program with Go? About as far as you'd get in 2 hours on the golang docs even considering a v…

Some people write a book to be able to self promote.

I was on a meetup, where 4 scrum master "experts" were doing some presentation and they gave out their book. It was around 100 pages with very big font :) written by 4 people. So basically 4 bad essays of 25 page each.

But hey, they could then tell to HR that they (co)wrote a book on agile methodologies. Also they (co)hosted lectures for meetup attendees.

The more interesting part, is that this wasnt even the worst book about agile / scrum that I have read...

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Post by ch4s3 »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #208
ch4s3 wrote: post #174

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On the contrary, Leninism mandates terror and ethnic minorities are always among the first targets of terror and repression. Stalinism was synonymous with Russian chauvinism, and saw other ethnic groups as inherently counter revolutionary. Chinese communism is also an ideology of Han supremacy. These are all flavors of communism, but Naziism was a particularly German flavor of fascism, so I think the comparison is ap…

> These are all flavors of communism, but Naziism was a particularly German flavor of fascism, so I think the comparison is appropriate. So you hit it right there. Neither fascism nor communism necessarily include mass murder. Naziism does.

I would argue that fascism and communism inevitably lead to mass murder because they tend towards totalitarianism and the use of terror. This comes with the caveat that the terror need not necessarily target an ethnic minority.

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Post by notjulianjaynes »

colpabar wrote: post #76
notjulianjaynes wrote: post #29

>"Losers. That’s who the U.S. government really has to fear.” The New York Times has published, by my count, 15 articles on this leak in the past 7 days.

Could you explain what you’re implying because I don’t get it

It strikes me as somewhat petty that the Times apparently considers the information in the leak important enough to cover so thoroughly, yet they think so little of the source of that information that they'll interview a 20 year old comedy vlogger (haven't watched channel) in the UK to get some quotes painting that source as some sort of right wing extremist group. Maybe they are, but I did not see evidence of such laid out in this article.

>But the unfiltered, edgy banter in the wow_mao server, which is called the End of Wow Mao Zone, and in many other servers like it, can sometimes veer into darker territory. Those servers are sometimes described as the less venomous cousins of 4chan, the far-right anonymous message board known for sharing conspiracy theories and popularizing QAnon. Many 4chan users split their time between Discord and 4chan, sharing digital memes and chatting with friends.

Emphasis added.

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Post by plaguepilled »

kajaktum wrote: post #253
plaguepilled wrote: post #224

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Poe's law is hot garbage though. If someone misses context because they're not privy to sarcasm, that isn't automatically the speaker's fault.

Sarcasm doesn’t work with text based medium. Is this sarcasm?

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Post by at_a_remove »

wussboy wrote: post #104
xboxnolifes wrote: post #75

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That's a weird way to frame a truly free speech environment. Yes, speech is more limited to left-leaning speech on most accepted parts of the internet. That doesn't make a board that allows both to be right-leaning. It means that most of the internet is left-leaning. Ofc, im simplifying to left vs right here, but that's only in response to calling it a right leaning board.

Many people confuse "free speech is a good" with "free speech is the highest good". > truly free speech environment Sounds awful.

You should rest easy tonight, knowing that nobody has any plans to make you go there.

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Post by sen_armstrong »

User23 wrote: post #171
ctvo wrote: post #106

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> Dark humor about race or ideology can eventually shape the beliefs of impressionable young people, and innocuous memes can be co-opted into symbols of hatred, researchers say. Immediately following this paragraph is a quote from a researcher: > “If you’re a young man with no prospects hanging out on 4chan, you’re definitely on some Discords and probably some pretty dark Discords,” said Dale Beran, a lecturer at Mor…

Blaming goons for Trump is pretty next level. That’s butterfly effect stuff if it’s true.

Shiba, Amezou, Nishimura, and Kosugi; Kyanka and Poole and Degrippo; the nanashi, the goons, and anons: all pawns in Hideaki Anno's master plan, set in motion by the prophetic creation of moot's waifu of Axis-American descent.
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