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Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by throwaway202303 »

lisasays wrote: post #222
enlyth wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah you can argue that /pol/ sways far right and you'd be correct, and I don't personally condone most of the opinions that are represented there, but take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. I can't think of any other site that has this. Any other website following the classical formula of pseudonyms and upvotes/downvotes, like Reddit, h…

Take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. And this is ... a good thing?

yes

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by antibasilisk »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #218
WatchDog wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's far-right representation has certainly grown over time, probably largely as a function of right-wing speech being pushed out of other platforms. However 4chan has always had, and continues to have quite broad demographics, it attracts extremes, by nature of it's low moderation and permissive content policies. Some examples of left wing associated content could be it's very active LGBT user base. It's inv…

LGBT is not inherently left wing. I’m not sure why you would think it is.

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Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by throwaway202303 »

beebmam wrote: post #24

I think the accusation that 4chan is a far-right message board is accurate, and I believe that accusation can be supported by showing that 4chan's explicitly stated rules can be used to plausibly deny this accusation, while demonstrating that they're are not enforced (or selectively enforced). 4chan's Rule 3: "You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Troll posts, Racism, Anthropomorphic ("furry") pornog…

always weird to read someones made up opinion of an online space. the documentary about pepe was the same

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by antibasilisk »

netsharc wrote: post #32
mannyv wrote: post #2

The NYT characterizes 4chan as a far-right message board, which is ridiculous. I mean, if giving the finger to pretty much everything is considered far-right, then what's considered far-left? Fundamentalism?

My guess is (since I don't claim to be a 4chan expert), in the beginning, 4chan users were just being edgy by being trolls and being for the choices that would lead to chaos (by being not politically correct, by supporting Donald Trump), but this attracted many genuine right-wingers, and if they do bother to hang out there, that would mean 4chan has become a far-right message board.

The uptick in unironic racism mostly happened when stormfront discovered 4chan.

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by antibasilisk »

alwayslikethis wrote: post #219
guardiangod wrote: post #131

I am sad that Discord has replaced IRC as the chatroom of the internet's subculture.

Me too. Judging by Discord's tendencies toward speech policing and censorship there will be plenty of groups staying out of it though. A large part of the previous subculture will probably be banned promptly on Discord.

They just go to Telegram

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by gruez »

sudosysgen wrote: post #228
gruez wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does this answer my original question? Are you just suggesting that because there is racism on /pol/, that it means that rules are being selectively enforced against non-"far righters"?

Yes. The far right is specifically being exempted from certain rules, while other rules are exempted. You can observe this because the far right is exempted from the rule that's meant to restrict them to /b/ and is instead allowed to roam free across the website (not just /pol/), while others aren't.

>Yes. The far right is specifically being exempted from certain rules, while other rules are exempted.

which specific rules are you talking about, aside from racism? Or is your claim simply that rules against racism isn't being enforced and therefore that constitutes "but enforces them against other groups"? Note that the latter is slightly different than the former. The former simply implies a rule that is written but not enforced, but the latter implies that certain rules (eg. "be polite") are being selectively used against a particular group (eg. impolite far-right posters are not punished, but impolite far-left posters are punished).

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by beebmam »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #218
WatchDog wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's far-right representation has certainly grown over time, probably largely as a function of right-wing speech being pushed out of other platforms. However 4chan has always had, and continues to have quite broad demographics, it attracts extremes, by nature of it's low moderation and permissive content policies. Some examples of left wing associated content could be it's very active LGBT user base. It's inv…

LGBT is not inherently left wing. I’m not sure why you would think it is.

Anti-semitism also isn't inherently right wing. That doesn't mean the social phenomenon currently driving anti-semitism isn't right wing.

The 4chan moderators are rarely enforcing the rules against racism, like anti-semitism, on the extreme boards, and sometimes they don't enforce those rules on non-extreme boards too. The anti-semitism on the extreme boards is rampant. It's pretty clear that the far-right is the current social phenomenon that is driving modern racism and anti-semitism, at least in the West.

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by andrewflnr »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #218
WatchDog wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's far-right representation has certainly grown over time, probably largely as a function of right-wing speech being pushed out of other platforms. However 4chan has always had, and continues to have quite broad demographics, it attracts extremes, by nature of it's low moderation and permissive content policies. Some examples of left wing associated content could be it's very active LGBT user base. It's inv…

LGBT is not inherently left wing. I’m not sure why you would think it is.

Not inherently, but close enough, mostly just because the right seems to hate it.

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by generalizations »

lisasays wrote: post #222
enlyth wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah you can argue that /pol/ sways far right and you'd be correct, and I don't personally condone most of the opinions that are represented there, but take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. I can't think of any other site that has this. Any other website following the classical formula of pseudonyms and upvotes/downvotes, like Reddit, h…

Take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. And this is ... a good thing?

What, you prefer a bubble? Things were far better before the opposing viewpoints walled themselves off and refused to communicate with the people who disagreed with them. Isn't the political divide one of the big problems in (US) society these days?

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by Sarajevaun »

seizethegdgap wrote: post #192
dmonitor wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting that the website is considered far-right simply because it doesn’t ban far-right posters. The website isn’t explicitly for right-wingers, but by allowing them to post on the website that’s what it’s become.

It's the Nazi Bar problem. https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/128089253502461952...

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