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I’ve been single all my life

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Re: I’ve been single all my life

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I have a variety of stumbling blocks, handicaps if you will, to dating, including actually being handicapped. It's no one thing that is a deal breaker but there are enough of them, and each is quite large on its own, well ... I mentioned being handicapped. I have been on a rather intense regime of opioids for some time so I can control the pain and do things like "sleep" and "not scream into pillows." Yet if someone were to offer me the choice between keeping the painkillers or giving them up, but not feeling loneliness any more, I genuinely would not know which I would pick.

Loneliness comes in many, many forms. It exists along multiple axes and, as always, the blessed can discount the sufferings of the cursed, even if they are themselves impoverished along another dimension. I consider loneliness to be one of the great problems of society: loneliness for peers, loneliness for romance, loneliness for someone who might enjoy your company sexually. Loneliness for another person who might understand where you come from on some topic of importance to you. Some might search for others who have similar tastes in music, or film, or some other passion. Different people feel different forms of it to different degrees, but so much of it revolves around a simple concept: is there someone else who feels the same as I, who has the same thoughts about this thing? Can I really be the only one in this?

Think back and ask, when was the last time you had the response "yes, yes, exactly! Exactly like that! You've summed up what I have been trying to express"?

Relationships are only the most obvious form of this, and relief from this kind of unanswered question of the soul is balanced by the uncertainties of the trek to find someone "like." Will it take long? Will I find anyone at all? Or will I simply stagger about the landscape, a random walk of rejection, percolation theory with the personal pain of being, kindly put, unsuitable? Will I find myself utterly lost, like a penguin in a Herzog documentary pursuing some mountain I haven't the reserves to reach? Do I even begin the climb down off of the local maxima at all, knowing that descent is so often treacherous?

One of the more galling aspects is that just bringing up the topic invites advice given, all too freely, by those with no skin in the game. They will not suffer if their advice is incorrect. The person who glibly suggests you "get out there" will not experience the pain of rejection, the inner flinch as just one more sliver of your self-esteem is pared away as you recognize the suppressed flinch of revulsion on the face of another. And in this you discover, in a fractal nature, another kind of loneliness -- a person who does not care about your loneliness, making suggestions whether or not you would take them, only there to simply move the conversation to something more pleasant.

Give us a pill for that.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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post #125

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I think I understand the point you're trying to make, but this is the sort of discussion board where many people are literalists. Women literally are baby machines: from the perspective of biology, and as a critical asset in the development of the human race (especially during times of high child mortality). People get upset when you point this out, but they don't get upset because it's the truth, they get upset beca…

> People get upset when you point this out, but they don't get upset because it's the truth, they get upset because of what they think the consequences of people knowing that truth will be. Or they get upset because they aren't Nihilists and believe in some form of personal meaning besides perpetuating the species?

Or because people conflate statements from biological and societal domains, when they should be separating them.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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post #19

I guess I've been a "volcel" for almost 4 years now after an almost 20 year relationship. I have pretty mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, I get lonely, intensely lonely at times. And I miss the companionship I had (before it got awful.) On the other hand, I have so much time now to just focus on myself and my kids and my career and hobbies and my mental well being. I've increased my income a lot in the last y…

A relationship can end like that after 20 years? Oh my god. That's basically my whole life. I can't imagine sharing that much of my life, that much time, with another person and then the relationship ending on our terms. Like, they didn't die, or they didn't drink a vial of cancer serum accidentally and whoops I have cancer now I'm dying bye. It ended because you started hating each other? After all that time? That's…

A relationship is like anything else. If you don’t consistently invest in it, it will atrophy.

It is scary.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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post #199

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At the risk of everyone wanting my head on a pike: A. We don't really know what introversion and extroversion are. B. The higher the IQ, the more likely they are to qualify for the label "introvert." So in at least some cases, it's possible smart people just give up on trying to connect socially because they get a lot of negative feedback from other people and it's mostly downside for them, so they stop bothering. Mo…

I suspect introversion is correlated with my IQ because high IQ people enjoy thinking, and thinking is easier when you're by yourself without distractions.

It can be isolating when one has thoughts and ideas that the people around one simply cannot follow or understand.

Of course it’s also often the case that introverts are simply low social status and thus find social interaction generally unrewarding. In that case pretensions of high intelligence are usually just a coping mechanism.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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So... how does one actually meet women?

What the other replies said. But with a couple of clarifications: You should engage in an activity that you enjoy for its own sake. Don't take up dance class, for instance, if you aren't actually interested in learning to dance. Don't "go looking for women". That is, don't try to be a pickup artist. Make an effort to be generally social, but don't focus just on the ladies. Be generally social. Talk to the men as well…

I find this to be bad advice. People already do the activities they enjoy and don’t do the activities that don’t enjoy.

Clearly the activities they enjoy do not involve meeting women. For me, this translates to weight lifting (few women lift; if there are women, there is a trope for creepy gym guy and there isn’t much socialization outside of the men’s locker room) or coding (another solo experience).

Try new things. Try things that are social and are uncomfortable for introverts. It’s the only way you can find the results you want.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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Even if you take the "starting a relationship" path (e.g. online dating to meet people) you really shouldn't be afraid of breaking someone else's heart. Assuming you don't break someone's heart by betraying them or some other awful action, taking responsibility for a broken heart is putting way too much responsibility on yourself, and not respecting other people's agency. It's also going to probably sabotage your att…

This caught my eye as well. I would go even further and say that being so protective of others is infantilizing and disrespectful. Assuming they are consenting and informed adults, they can take their own risks. Assessing counterparty risk and making the choice for them overrides their desires and values, and imposes yours. If there is one thing that I have learned in relationships, it is that you shouldn't attempt t…

I'm not sure I can agree with that. I'm incapable of relationships, but even if it were, my background makes puts me at a elevated probability of becoming abusive towards towards an intimate partner.

Would you not say that most if not all people would not want an abusive partner? If so, then even if it were possible, would not choosing to remain unattached out of concern for others be the more... Correct? Ethical? Moral? In any case, the better choice then to unnecessarily subject them to that elevated risk?

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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Why are there so many articles about this lately? I don't see what the problem is or why being single is such a tragedy. Single doesn't mean being alone. Not everyone wants serious long term relationships and monogamy is on a serious decline. People used to aspire to have the single lifestyle we now pretend is so sad and lonely. Sounds like propaganda to me. We're overpopulated. Can't the prole have this one thing an…

> Why are there so many articles about this lately? If nothing else, it is garnering attention. Looking at it from a purely cynical perspective, it resonates enough to generate views from the readers; certainly from this crowd at least. And engagement is the life blood of social media. More literally speaking; I don't know. Perhaps it's because that dream of a 'single' life style is becoming more and more inaccessibl…

> How many have the financial freedom to be able to comfortably support a 'single life style' nowadays that isn't to just stay at home and play on the computer?

That's what fascinates me the most. Why is it engaging anyone on HN?

Most people here are tech workers so if they stay single then they definitely make enough to have nice things, vacation almost anywhere, enjoy night life a few times week, etc.

In all those interactions there are people to meet and you don't have to meet very many people to find someone who likes you. Many prefer to keep things casual at first. This is not a "bad thing" unless you are more in love with the idea of a relationship than the person. Unpack where that expectation is coming from and then no more tears. As the saying goes: "if you have to force it, it's probably shit". It really is that simple and of course it doesn't take very many casual relationships to find someone who wants to try being serious after getting to know you. The "pain" I see most people experiencing is just indecision and impatience, not true loneliness.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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Indoor rock climbing is something I’ve found to be pretty gender-diverse a well as welcoming!

Been bouldering pretty heavily for the last three years but I have not found it to be a very good place for meeting people.

Interesting. Maybe each club is different. I’m pretty introverted but I’ve found that people frequently take breaks on the floor and chit chat with strangers in between climbs.

Re: I’ve been single all my life

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post #19

I guess I've been a "volcel" for almost 4 years now after an almost 20 year relationship. I have pretty mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, I get lonely, intensely lonely at times. And I miss the companionship I had (before it got awful.) On the other hand, I have so much time now to just focus on myself and my kids and my career and hobbies and my mental well being. I've increased my income a lot in the last y…

You need to go talk to women in some sort of public setting, rather than expecting them to show up in the office. Don't just accept being lonely.
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