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enlyth wrote: post #83
carom wrote: post #33

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There are people of all political persuasions on 4chan. You're free to go on there and deride any white nationalists you see. No one will ban you.

Yeah you can argue that /pol/ sways far right and you'd be correct, and I don't personally condone most of the opinions that are represented there, but take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. I can't think of any other site that has this. Any other website following the classical formula of pseudonyms and upvotes/downvotes, like Reddit, h…

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Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by throwawayf37jg »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #51
carom wrote: post #48

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You can also be a communist. You can also be an open source maximalist. You can also be a gay dog furry. You can also be trans. You can also be extremely autistic. It is good to have a place where people can exist as themselves and be exposed to different ideas. I would wager that most people who go there are far more accepting than the general population.

What is it that you feel like you gain from being exposed to white nationalism? Being unfazed by horrors isn't a virtue, having scarred your soul like this isn't something to be proud of. You should be uncomfortable talking to a nazi! You should be more than uncomfortable!

And you should be uncomfortable talking to someone who is indifferent about supporting industrialized animal torture that is also destroying the climate, just because animals are "lesser" or "created by God for us to eat". But that's like, whatever, not the reprehensible evil in fashion.

Unrelated to this topic, but I don't see a logical way around this.

I guess I shouldn't talk to anyone. Almost unironically. Or should disengage from people who push into my boundaries, who would turn me into a worse person. So any white supremacist who keeps trying to "convince" me would be substantially worse than a meat eater who respects my views and doesn't push.

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by yodon »

Apocryphon wrote: post #44
dmreedy wrote: post #35

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I think more likely there are just a lot of 4chan users on this site. And some subset of those take perceived attacks like these quite personally.

I was joking- I think it's just HN being really good at jumping down the wrong rabbit holes and bike-shedding ad nauseam, while completely missing the point of an OP.

>Is Discord PR active in this thread?

...

>I was joking

This might be a good opportunity to read up again on Poe's law[0]. It pretty much always applies when one tries to make jokes like this on the web.

Sarcasm and irony only work as intended when talking with people who know you personally or with people who assume they know your viewpoints. If people don't have reason to believe they know your viewpoint, they hear your sarcasm as literal (and frequently think poorly of you, as a result).

[0]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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876978095789789 wrote: post #54
giraffe_lady wrote: post #49

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You ever hear that joke "if you're wearing a nazi costume it's not a costume?" Ironic far right shitposts are just far right shitposts.

I don't care. 4chan is one of the few large forums remaining on the internet where there's no downvoting, no flagging, and no dang-esque tone policers. I would be much more sad to see it go away than this place.

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Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by RobotToaster »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #49
876978095789789 wrote: post #47

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You ever hear that joke "if you're wearing a nazi costume it's not a costume?" Ironic far right shitposts are just far right shitposts.

>You ever hear that joke "if you're wearing a nazi costume it's not a costume?"

Guess prince Harry didn't

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by bestcoder69 »

enlyth wrote: post #83
carom wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are people of all political persuasions on 4chan. You're free to go on there and deride any white nationalists you see. No one will ban you.

Yeah you can argue that /pol/ sways far right and you'd be correct, and I don't personally condone most of the opinions that are represented there, but take a look at the general threads, you have a pro-ukraine one and an anti-ukraine one, both with equal representation. I can't think of any other site that has this. Any other website following the classical formula of pseudonyms and upvotes/downvotes, like Reddit, h…

Laughing to myself imagining the people believing you, thinking “hmm methinks I could use a little intellectual diversity in my bubble”, they click over to 4chan, take a big sip of coffee, and… actually look at it. lol

e: I’ll concede you can find different opinions there. Just, I wanna see a video feed of an unsuspecting person actually trying to go there to, like, learn.

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by throwawayf37jg »

carom wrote: post #153
Zetice wrote: post #132

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The person I replied to did.

Negatory captain, I did not.

You were arguing against an argument by popularity or something like that, but giraffe lady didn't say that you should be uncomfortable talking to nazis because they're near universally reviled? But because they are reprehensible, not due to how they're considered.

I think isolating white nationalists just makes them congregate on echo chambers more. There should be a balance; you should not talk to racists/people with evil views if you can't maintain boundaries with them. So I don't disagree that you should be uncomfortable

Re: Meme group on Discord is focus of uproar over leaked Pentagon documents

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Post by maxbond »

voz_ wrote: post #99
carom wrote: post #55

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Someone might say the same thing about trans people. Should I be extremely uncomfortable talking to a trans person? Of course not. Many people think I should though. As for white nationalists, when engaging in discussion with someone you disagree with you have the opportunity to change their mind. We're all human. We won't always agree. I'm happy to meet everybody as human beings.

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35443890

> Someone: @dang

> dang: That doesn't work. The only things that work are to email hn@ycombinator.com or rely on randomness. The former works most of the time and the latter works some of the time.

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