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Re: Replacing my best friends with an LLM trained on 500k group chat messages

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Post by sumeno »

jacquesm wrote: post #22
xwdv wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You certainly won’t regret it. If you need to get information out of your wife and she won’t cooperate you can coerce the LLM of your wife into having it divulge private information that your wife won’t reveal. This can be very useful for something like a divorce case. Best to find a way to keep the LLM regularly training on new data as well. Edit : stop downvoting ideas you don’t like, that’s not what it’s for.

That's beyond creepy.

Sorry, my LLM trained exclusively on bad ideas is posting again

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Post by roarcher »

faeyanpiraat wrote: post #196
oidar wrote: post #23

In Caprica, the Battlestar Galaticia, spinoff - a dead character was embodied in a robot and trained on social media content... But in the real world, who owns your LLM dupe output after you die?

Thanks for the reminder. FOr some reason I had to put that down a couple episodes in. May re-watch it again from the beginning. Hope I haven't shelved it due to woke cringiness as I still don't tolerate that.

Caprica isn't woke from what I recall, it just isn't as good as BSG. Still worth watching for the backstory though.

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Post by vit05 »

mabbo wrote: post #49

While I love all these stories of turning your friends and loved ones into chat bots so you can talk to them forever, my brain immediately took a much darker turn because of course it did. How many emails, text messages, hangouts/gchat messages, etc, does Google have of you right now? And as part of their agreement, they can do pretty much whatever they like with those, can't they? Could Google, or any other company…

I "know" people who work on projects that provide data to train these models. When using photos and data, like google photos, you need to give a series of permissions. The pay is very low, anywhere from 3 dollars to 6 dollars per hour to answer some questions.

What I mean by that is that legally these companies get that date without having to run the risk of using data acquired from those who didn't authorize it.

Google cannot do as it pleases with your data. And they don't even need to. It's cheap to get permission from other people.

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Post by Zetice »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #273
Zetice wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And as part of their agreement, they can do pretty much whatever they like with those, can't they? What? No haha, they aren't able to read your emails or use them as training data for an LLM.

>they aren't able to read your emails or use them as training data for an LLM. I'd love to see the policy or law that prevents Google from doing either.

https://policies.google.com/privacy?hl=en-US

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Post by lancesells »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #237
softfalcon wrote: post #190

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I do think intelligence is something more than data storage and retrieval. I believe it is adaptive behavior thinking about what data I have, what I could obtain, and how to store/retrieve it. I could be wrong, but that's my hypothesis. We humans don't simply use a fixed model, we're retraining ourselves rapidly thousands of times a day. On top of that, we seem to be perceiving the training, input, and responses as w…

Going from "oh my goodness, this is intelligent" fade to "oh, it's just predicting text responses" Eventually your father will reach the third stage: "Uh, wait, that's all we do." You will then have to pry open the next niche in your god-of-the-gaps reasoning. The advent of GPT has forced me to face an uncomfortable (yet somehow liberating) fact: we're just plain not that special.

We reflect, we change, we grow. We have so many other senses that contribute to our "humaness". If you listen to and enjoy music tell me how those feelings are just "predictive text responses".

Communication is one part of being human. A big part for sure, but only one of many.

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Post by Jeff_Brown »

evandale wrote: post #107

I was talking to a non-tech friend about all the AI advancements lately and when she asked me what I thought the biggest risk was I said it's exactly what we all just experienced the past 3 years and realized is awful for human - prolonged social isolation. My biggest worry is that AI generated art (be it photos, music, code, etc.) and AI assistants will become so good we won't need other humans to get our social fix…

I'll get scared when someone actually feels like the replacement is satisfying. And the very same day I'll be thrilled for the increase in happiness for people who are lonely and unable to solve it the normal way -- e.g. senile people with no family taking care of them.

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Post by bigbillheck »

xwdv wrote: post #171
bigbillheck wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Edit: stop downvoting ideas you don’t like, that’s not what it’s for. I will continue to downvote creepy ideas as I please.

You are increasing the echo of the chamber.

That's a risk I'm willing to take.

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Post by dspillett »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #85
mabbo wrote: post #49

While I love all these stories of turning your friends and loved ones into chat bots so you can talk to them forever, my brain immediately took a much darker turn because of course it did. How many emails, text messages, hangouts/gchat messages, etc, does Google have of you right now? And as part of their agreement, they can do pretty much whatever they like with those, can't they? Could Google, or any other company…

> Could Google, or any other company out there, build a digital copy of you that answers questions exactly the way you would? "Hey, we're going to cancel the interview- we found that you aren't a good culture fit here in 72% of our simulations and we don't think that's an acceptable risk." If a company is going to snoop in your personal data to get insights about you, they'd just do it directly. Hiring managers would…

> Training an LLM on your e-mails and then feeding it questions is just a lower accuracy, more abstracted version of the above, but it's the same concept.

Less accurate, more abstracted, but more automatable. This might be seen as a reasonable trade-off.

It might also be useful as a new form of proactive head-hunting: collect data on people to make models to interrogate and sell access to those models. Companies looking for a specific type of person can then use the models to screen for viable candidates that are then passed onto humans in the recruitment process. Feels creepy stalky to me, but recruiters are rarely above being creepy/stalky any more than advertisers are.

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Post by Galacta7 »

ryanianian wrote: post #16

Very reminiscent of the Be Right Back episode of Black Mirror [1]. A family member recently died unexpectedly, and I have a small collection of texts, emails, and blog posts by them saved on my machine in the small (perhaps delusional) hope that they'll be a useful training set for a them-flavored chatbot. Perhaps even one that's trained to help me with the grief of their loss. Not a huge amount of training data, tho…

This was also the premise of the Battlestar Galactica prequel "Caprica." The father of A.I. created a digital copy of his recently deceased daughter based on her digital trail from life. The copy struggles with her existence in an artificial environment, initially being unaware she was in one. It was interesting how they tied her existence into the eventual rise of religious monotheism and the emergence of the Cylons. Underrated show.
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