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> Children _can_ receive puberty blockers, which _by definition_ are 100% completely reversible. This is such an absurd statement. You don't "define" how the body works.
Did he say so?
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After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case
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Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case
#242I assume these satanic panic cases happened everywhere. In New Zealand, we had a kindergarten teacher who was convinced of preforming satanic rituals in a medieval style torture chamber in the basement of the kindergarten, There was even a network of secret tunnels. The building didn't even have a basement. That fact alone should have been a large enough clue that four-year-old kids can be unreliable witnesses if mis…
Sounds vaguely like the whole pizzagate conspiracy[0] as well. I even heard when the gunman went to Comet's Pizza he was confused that it didn't have a basement, though I can't find a reference to this. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory
some mention here
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/the-pizzagate-gunm...
> Welch wandered the pizzeria, searching for a dungeon that didn’t exist. When he found a door he couldn’t open, he fired at the lock. But beyond it was just a computer closet. He eventually set down his guns, put his hands on his head and walked outside, where dozens of police officers were waiting for him.
Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Puberty blockers themselves are not free of risk of irreversible damage, as you very well know. Their risk is miniscule compared to the risk of untreated gender dysphoria. > And if you had to bet money, if I told you some kid started on puberty blockers, what would be the odds they later got surgery or further irreversible damage done? Higher or lower than if they didn't start on puberty blockers, as they did 10 ye…
> Irrespective of the source of the dysphoria, it exists No! What you have here is a bunch of confused girls that will do whatever tiktok influencers tell them to do. Do nothing and it'll pass in 99.99% of the cases. Start blocking puberties and you end up with a lot of unnecessary surgeries and sterile people who will suffer the rest of their lives. How many people temporally confused by social contagion are you wil…
>No! What you have here is a bunch of confused girls that will do whatever tiktok influencers tell them to do. Do nothing and it'll pass in 99.99% of the cases.
The evidence does not support this claim. You're flat out making shit up to argue for denying treatment to people who untreated are at great risk of harm. However, it is right that it resolves for many. This is why puberty blockers are important as a means to minimise harm by reducing the risk either way by failing to accurately asses for whom it will resolve without transitioning.
What you're arguing for is an approach that maximises harm to one of the groups. It is then rather vile when you make this statement:
> How many people temporally confused by social contagion are you willing to sacrifice for each "real case" that you catch earlier? Where's your line? Ten, a hundred? A thousand? All of them?
You've set up a strawman, but you're the one who is willing to sacrifice - in your view 0.01%, but in reality far more - the wellbeing of those for whom it won't pass by arguing against harm reducing treatment.
What we know is that transitioning carries a lower risk of regret than almost all other kinds of cosmetic surgery, which is clear evidence that those who do go ahead with it have gone through a much more rigorous process before going ahead than the cosmetic surgeries pretty much nobody are arguing people shouldn't be able to consent to.
> Yeah, because the sunk cost fallacy develops only after puberty, or what? No. As you very well know, once they start on that road the identity kicks in and it's "who they are now".
Nothing to do with sunk cost, and that you bring it up suggests you're too ignorant to understand the issues.
No, we don't know that, because there's absolutely no evidence to support that. What we actually know is that for a significant number of people, dysphoria does resolve. Hence deferring irreversible changes is important.
At the same time, how very dare you want to tell people who by then are adults what is best for them? This kind of authoritarian, oppressive desire to force your view of what is best for other people on them, despite their wishes is a trait usually found in ideologies like fascism or nazism (fittingly, given the nazis destroyed the first institute focusing on helping trans people)
> Which is exactly what you want, a normal person comes in, an activist for life comes out. Who cares about the actual person, right?
It's exactly because I care about the person I don't want them oppressed by authoritarian people like you who want to strip them of agency over their own life.
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#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they can't consent to this, then they can't consent to almost any surgery. They even couldn't consent to getting braces.
You're damn right children can't consent to anything! That is exactly the point! Which is why the parents are the ones in charge, and why it's alarming that for irreversible sterilizing and life-altering procedures they're trying to remove the parents. It's insane, as you very well put it. They can't get a tattoo, too permanent, but they can get their tits chopped off. Makes total sense, yeah.
And yet you're making the insane argument against the treatment (puberty blockers) that is fully reversible and reduces the need for making irreversible decisions at such a young age. And in doing so you're arguing for imposing drastic, life altering and harmful effects on those for whom their dysphoria does not resolve. It's a deeply nasty level of authoritarian overreach to be prepared to force such harm on people when we have a treatment that can mitigate it for a significant proportion of the people in question.
You keep trying to move the goalposts, because it's makes for more shock value to talk about operations. But the reality is that operations are a last resort, and one often brought forward due to immense mental harm for patients for whom blockers have not been an option. They are examples of the entirely predictable outcome of the kind of brutally inhumane policies you've been arguing for by opposing blockers.
Think banning surgeries will work? Trans people have been dying from illegal and unregulated surgeries for decades because it's for many been preferable to staying how they are.
Denying desperate people treatment is evil.
Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case
#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Oh, look, instead of looking for actual evidence, you double down on trying to justify the choice of a known transphobic activist. Google a bit deeper. Of course, given your growing number of comments in this thread flagged for your own transphobic responses it's not surprising.
Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case
#246The pedophile scare alternates between the absurd and underestimated.
On the absurd side are:
- Satanic preschools
- Pizzagate
- most recently, drag queen demonization
On the underestimated side:
- unending Catholic priest incidents, most recently Baltimore. Non-Catholic pastors too
- Boy Scout leaders
- sports doctors
Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case
#247Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case
#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue is kids being transitioned, in whatever way. The pills build up towards surgery.
I saw your other comment before it got deleted. I know you for what you are.
What got deleted, and what am I supposedly?
Your comment also says a lot about you.
I don't feel ashamed for worrying about the unwarranted mutilation of children.
What is your excuse?
Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
Made to believe they had, yes, not actually used. The lack of good surgery options does not mean they don't help. If anything the fact that regret rates for transition is well below the regret rates for other cosmetic surgery should be a strong indication that if you actually care about patient wellbeing, it's the other kinds of cosmetic surgery you ought to be focusing on.
Citations? If you look into the actual studies, the picture may not be so clear cut. For example a lot if results actually only taje older people into account (who transitioned when they were older). What analogy do you see to the satanic cult thing? Children were told they had been abused, and many caregivers were being sentenced. Who is being told what in the trans hype? Children are falsely being told they are not…
0.2%-0.3% regret: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8105823/
1% regret: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33968550/
Meanwhile, finding actual studies of regret of cosmetic surgery is much harder, because nobody cares or want to stop people from getting boob jobs unless they're trans. So we're stuck with poor quality surveys like this one [1] claiming 65% regret, this one done for a group with a profit motive [2] claiming 65% regret.
For reconstruction after breast cancer, it's not "so bad", with this actual study [3] finding "only" ca 20% moderate to strong regret for even reconstruction, and another ~28% expressing mild regret.
Even for non-cosmetic surgery, such as e.g. hip replacements etc., it's hard to find regret rates as low as for sex reassignment.
Should we ban all of these other treatments too?
[1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2640543/Two-third...
[2] https://www.medicalaccidentgroup.co.uk/news/do-you-regret-ha....
[3] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233371110_Regret_as...
Re: After 30 years, a father is exonerated in 'Satanic panic' case
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
It "might be said" but that makes no sense to anyone who knew firmly what their gender identity was from early childhood. The norm is around 4 years of age. It also makes no sense given that dysphoria does disappear for a portion of patients irrespective of which hormones they're on. As well as for those on puberty blockers. The entire point of puberty blockers is allow for delaying the decision on going on hormones…
The dysphoria actually dissolves in most cases, not just in a few cases. And the hormone blockers allegedly also prevent the dysphoria from dissolving in many cases.Hormone blockers also have severe side effects, even possible sterilisation. Since most people end up not actually being trans, more people are now hurt by pushing transitioning as the solution for everything. And you absolutely can not deny that it is be…
Sure I can. Watch:
It is not being pushed.
I'm on my phone so I can't back that up, but we've already established in this thread that is sufficient grounds to be believed.