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Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by nine_k »

chpatrick wrote: post #247
nine_k wrote: post #220

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Cloud is about elasticity. At ${work} we spin up a ton of EC2 instances in anticipation of huge traffic spikes that happen predictably several times a day, in different regions, and spin them down afterwards. It's also about simplicity. Many services come pre-configured on.AWS, with clustering, failover, backups, etc already present. When you are small, you can sysadmin your server fine, and you don't yet need the cl…

How much would it cost to handle your peak load with dedicated servers and no scaling?

With the peak load being about 10x the still load, the dedicated servers should cost 10% of the cloud version.

We'd likely have to have some reserve just in case our marketing and product do so well that the next peak of the load rises higher in absolute terms.

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Post by justsomehnguy »

nine_k wrote: post #220
zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

Cloud is about elasticity. At ${work} we spin up a ton of EC2 instances in anticipation of huge traffic spikes that happen predictably several times a day, in different regions, and spin them down afterwards. It's also about simplicity. Many services come pre-configured on.AWS, with clustering, failover, backups, etc already present. When you are small, you can sysadmin your server fine, and you don't yet need the cl…

Counterpoint: for some years we had clients who happily lived on cheap as fuck plans but requested more at the anticipated calendar events (NY and the like).

Most of the time we just removed GHz limits, sometimes adding vCPUs in advance, they fared well.

NB: IaaS provider with a guarenteered resources

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Post by usr1106 »

biomcgary wrote: post #181
andix wrote: post #125

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This is a very German thing. I’ve never seen ID cards from other countries that include an address of residence. Also the obligation to own an ID card is a very foreign concept in most other countries. I had that issue with German companies before, especially those who rarely deal with international customers. For example in Austria only a few people own an ID card (most people have a passport, but not everyone). So…

Is the ID requirement a leftover from the Nazi era? I don't suppose Germany ever issued a blanket repeal of all the laws passed during that error.

The law has been changed numerous times since then. However, the requirement to possess an ID was introduced with the start of WW II. So it's not completely wrong to call it a Nazi invention.

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Post by Eduard »

Deloritoono wrote: post #238
zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

Hetzner is great but it's not a good choice for companies which really care. Your data is not encrypted in rest. Their security is not bad but someone can easily plugin whatever they like. Try this at Google. Google not just has much stricter physical access control but also FULL control over the hardware. They know the firmware of the Mainboard. The server don't even unencrypt and start if you move them out of their…

> Hetzner is great but it's not a good choice for companies which really care. Your data is not encrypted in rest.

It's up to you to set up "encryption in rest": E.g setup LUKS on a Hetzner machine.

> Their security is not bad but someone can easily plugin whatever they like.

That's not how it is. Check e.g. this six-year old security video from Hetzner: Hetzner is great but it's not a good choice for companies which really care. Your data is not encrypted in rest.

Their security is not bad but someone can easily plugin whatever they like.

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Post by Deloritoono »

Eduard wrote: post #255
Deloritoono wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hetzner is great but it's not a good choice for companies which really care. Your data is not encrypted in rest. Their security is not bad but someone can easily plugin whatever they like. Try this at Google. Google not just has much stricter physical access control but also FULL control over the hardware. They know the firmware of the Mainboard. The server don't even unencrypt and start if you move them out of their…

> Hetzner is great but it's not a good choice for companies which really care. Your data is not encrypted in rest. It's up to you to set up "encryption in rest": E.g setup LUKS on a Hetzner machine. > Their security is not bad but someone can easily plugin whatever they like. That's not how it is. Check e.g. this six-year old security video from Hetzner: Hetzner is great but it's not a good choice for companies which…

I know the video quite well and I also have stuff on hetzner.

But it's just levels different to Google.

I have a small startup at hetzner.

But my main job has everything at the big cloud providers because of audit logs, high slash, global network etc. And no the hetzner video shows already that hetzner can't fullfil all required security certifications.

They have rows and rows of desktop PCs there.

With 'really' care I mean if you process millions or billions you just don't go to hetzner.

And doing encryption on rest with what decryption method? Manual unlock through a remote console?

At Google you literally have encryption on rest by default with key rotation build in and you can use your own keys.

Dimensions of difference

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Post by andix »

qwytw wrote: post #244
andix wrote: post #201

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Power is especially expensive in Europe right now. The war in Ukraine caused price increases between 300% and 1000%

Is that still the case? The prices seem to have peaked around August and are now back to their pre war levels. Before that prices have already been steadily rising since September, 2021 though. e.g. average price in August was over 400% higher than this March https://www.nordpoolgroup.com/en/Market-data1/Dayahead/Area-...

I think wholesale prices for electricity in Germany are still around 3x compared to before the pandemic, and around 4-5x compared to 2020.

The big peak (up to 10x) is over, but the energy prices already increased a lot in autumn of 2021, when Russia first reduced the gas deliveries.

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Post by pastage »

thewebcount wrote: post #202
andix wrote: post #148

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I thought the only way in the US to prove your address of residence is collecting your last few phone bills and bank statements. It was a huge LOL moment, when I first heard about that.

Yeah, it's really odd and circular. You can often present a lease agreement if you're renting an apartment or house. If you own, you can usually present a mortgage statement. If you own and don't have a mortgage (because you purchased with cash), you can use bank statement and/or phone statement. But what's funny is, how do you get the bank statement and/or phone statement? You usually have to show a lease agreement,…

Similar problems in many countries, there is usually no problems for the majority who lives there so the pressure to fix it is low.

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Post by BackBlast »

BackBlast wrote: post #39
kytazo wrote: post #30

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Try alpinelinux, you'll be able to find almost everything, coupled with nix for just in case. I've yet to find any package missing.

Introducing new distros to solve the problem is moving in the wrong direction. It's so much easier to deal with one distro in the cloud. Just more reasons not to go multi uArch.

To the downvoter...

I strive for simple infrastructure.

ARM doesn't support the x86 docker eco system. That's a significant strike but not totally unworkable for me.

My primary database isn't prepackaged with the ARM packages nor does the originating org build one. I could build it myself, which I have done plenty over the years. I did try it, but the dependencies aren't up to date on ARM. So now I'm building dependencies and the software package. Building software from scratch can be a rabbit hole that eats untold amount of time. After a one-day effort I gave up and abandoned it. I'll revisit again if Hetzner brings Ampere to the US and I can verify the instances have much higher IOPS ceilings.

Enter another distro and I have to rebuild all of my provisioning and management scripts for all my services with all the testing entailed in the new dependency chains. I'd rather try to build my db from source again, frankly.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by Eduard »

Aldipower wrote: post #218
miohtama wrote: post #190

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I would go further and have a small server/NAS running locally in an office. The best backup is one you sit on the top off.

This does not pay out in Germany due to the high energy costs in private house holds or office spaces.

With 0.40 EUR/kWh, running a beefy 100 Watt NAS setup will cost 0.96 EUR per day.
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