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Re: Replacing my best friends with an LLM trained on 500k group chat messages

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Post by EarthLaunch »

tenacious_tuna wrote: post #205
mabbo wrote: post #49

While I love all these stories of turning your friends and loved ones into chat bots so you can talk to them forever, my brain immediately took a much darker turn because of course it did. How many emails, text messages, hangouts/gchat messages, etc, does Google have of you right now? And as part of their agreement, they can do pretty much whatever they like with those, can't they? Could Google, or any other company…

There's a scifi book I was reading a couple years ago that had this as a presence--models of people's personalities a la LLMs were a commodity, but they varied wildly in how accurate they were. Alphas were supposed to be 1-to-1 with the originating personality (to the point that they had legal protections? I can't remember), whereas gammas were used to menial things, like serving as a phone-menu style gatekeeper to t…

'Permutation City' by Greg Egan had this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permutation_City

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Post by nicenewtemp84 »

famouswaffles wrote: post #149
meowface wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand this sort of thing at all. Even a hypothetical distant future AI that had a human level of sentience and intelligence and could perfectly emulate you in every way still would not be you (even if it could hypothetically be indistinguishable from you in communication), and it's especially odd now with the crude simulacrum it would provide. If you're gone, you're gone. Some model of your brain…

Hypothetical distant future? Lmao It's already here mate. GPT-4 is human level intelligence however you'd wish to evaluate. I agree a model of your brain is not strictly speaking you. But it might be close for what someone might want.

Human level is putting it mildly. Which human? I've tried showing it to a few people that barely understand the answers and miss insights given in previous answers 2 minutes prior.

My dad and I played around with asking it questions about a rare proprietary piece of software he uses at work. My dad is decent at the software and even does consulting after hours because so few people are know it. Chatgpt was teaching him things he never even knew about, or thought about doing. And my dad is pretty decent at his work.

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Post by Jeff_Brown »

nostrademons wrote: post #147
mabbo wrote: post #49

While I love all these stories of turning your friends and loved ones into chat bots so you can talk to them forever, my brain immediately took a much darker turn because of course it did. How many emails, text messages, hangouts/gchat messages, etc, does Google have of you right now? And as part of their agreement, they can do pretty much whatever they like with those, can't they? Could Google, or any other company…

"Could Google, or any other company out there, build a digital copy of you that answers questions exactly the way you would? "Hey, we're going to cancel the interview- we found that you aren't a good culture fit here in 72% of our simulations and we don't think that's an acceptable risk." They kinda did - that's what GMail/Chat/Docs autosuggest does. You've got canned replies to e-mail, editors that complete your sen…

I've been in a lot of social contexts where it was expected to respond with a lot of words. Defying that expectation never seems to hurt and often pays of handsomely. Particularly when writing to people who receive a lot of similar messages.

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Post by jnwatson »

softfalcon wrote: post #152
nostrademons wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Could Google, or any other company out there, build a digital copy of you that answers questions exactly the way you would? "Hey, we're going to cancel the interview- we found that you aren't a good culture fit here in 72% of our simulations and we don't think that's an acceptable risk." They kinda did - that's what GMail/Chat/Docs autosuggest does. You've got canned replies to e-mail, editors that complete your sen…

I completely agree with you about them failing to be accurate for the various reasons you've explained (hallucinating, limited social conventions, etc). Unfortunately, I've heard enough people believe the hype that this is actually "synthesizing sentience into the machine" or some other buzz speak. I have met researchers of AI at credible universities who believe this kind of thing, completely oblivious to how ChatGP…

All mechanistic attempts at evaluating intelligence are doomed to fail.

I am way more concerned about the people making philosophical arguments about intelligence without any foundation in philosophy.

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Post by flangola7 »

sebastianconcpt wrote: post #214
mabbo wrote: post #49

While I love all these stories of turning your friends and loved ones into chat bots so you can talk to them forever, my brain immediately took a much darker turn because of course it did. How many emails, text messages, hangouts/gchat messages, etc, does Google have of you right now? And as part of their agreement, they can do pretty much whatever they like with those, can't they? Could Google, or any other company…

Well, my maxim with AIs is that all they express is a lie unless proven true. Nothing good can come out of taking too seriously the output of algebra parrots.

It's a parrot that a growing number of people have said made them unemployed.

Re: Replacing my best friends with an LLM trained on 500k group chat messages

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Post by famouswaffles »

nicenewtemp84 wrote: post #242
famouswaffles wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hypothetical distant future? Lmao It's already here mate. GPT-4 is human level intelligence however you'd wish to evaluate. I agree a model of your brain is not strictly speaking you. But it might be close for what someone might want.

Human level is putting it mildly. Which human? I've tried showing it to a few people that barely understand the answers and miss insights given in previous answers 2 minutes prior. My dad and I played around with asking it questions about a rare proprietary piece of software he uses at work. My dad is decent at the software and even does consulting after hours because so few people are know it. Chatgpt was teaching h…

For sure. average human is just the lower bound of intelligence on a few tasks. On most, it's well above average. On others, it's in the top %

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Post by siftrics »

evandale wrote: post #107

I was talking to a non-tech friend about all the AI advancements lately and when she asked me what I thought the biggest risk was I said it's exactly what we all just experienced the past 3 years and realized is awful for human - prolonged social isolation. My biggest worry is that AI generated art (be it photos, music, code, etc.) and AI assistants will become so good we won't need other humans to get our social fix…

...then hang out with your friends in real life?

Re: Replacing my best friends with an LLM trained on 500k group chat messages

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Post by falcor84 »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #231

I've heard several people doing this and chatting with simulacra of their friends, but you can always just send your friends a message and chat with the real version. My first inclination was always to try a conversation with a virtual me (yay recursion!) I've always thought that would be fascinating. Or scanning in my old journals from when I was a teenager and training it on that. Once this technology improves a bi…

>... but you can always just send your friends a message and chat with the real version.

Well, until they aren't there anymore.

Re: Replacing my best friends with an LLM trained on 500k group chat messages

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Post by nicenewtemp84 »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #82

How well would this work with public messages of people like Elon Musk or Donald Trump? Image some company training their chat-lovebots on celebs and selling them as a service. Or a creepy "friend" making a secret bot of you, and incorporating sexual content. And a disadvantage of this will be, you can only emulate the public image of a person. It won't really contain the inner workings of a Person, and will not have…

In most scenarios that I'd get to talk to Elon or Trump, I'd probably get the public persona too. So an AI trained on that and giving it back to me isn't that useless really.

When trained on a private chat group like OPs, you get the private persona towards your friends group. You can talk to your friend for 10 years and still not really know how they would reply to their bosses email, so this isn't that much different.

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