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Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by andix »

Galaco wrote: post #38

Never figured out how to use Hertzner. Wanted to try since they get such a good reputation on here, but they banned my account when their system presented no way for me to verify my identity. The required either PayPal or passport. I have no PayPal account, and their 3rd party verification system only allows passport from your country of residence (signup requires providing a contact address and they pre fill using t…

They probably suffer from a lot of sign ups with fake IDs and with criminal intent. So I get that they are rather strict.

Another thing to consider: cloud providers are not very interested in individuals as customers. They usually want companies as customers, that also buy more than a 3$ vserver. A solution for this problem could be a sign-up fee (50 or 100$), to pay for an extended manual vetting of customers, that is then added to the account balance.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by r1ch »

Havoc wrote: post #98

More benchmarking. Some of the speedtests coming back >10gigs is a bit of a surprise given price point https://hastebin.com/share/biyejiriyi.bash https://hastebin.com/share/unocorikef.bash https://hastebin.com/share/ujixoxazit.bash https://hastebin.com/share/ofezuyodob.bash

This probably won't last, the servers aren't fully loaded with VMs yet.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by jackothy »

withinboredom wrote: post #117
jackothy wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They asked him for a Japanese passport and he does not have one. Hence the "how do I comply".

Just send the one you have? I don’t see the problem.

And I also don't see the problem with asking a clarifying question when he does not have what they asked for.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by daneel_w »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #59

I don't understand the hype around ARM64 in the server space. Is this just due to all the marketing from Apple around their proprietary M processors leaking into the enterprise market? The latest Xeon and EPYC offerings are very performance competitive, I doubt we need to overhaul and entire processor ISA paradigm for continued improvements.

With Arm Graviton on AWS, for our specific environments and workloads, we get better performance for less money. Same goes for the hosts, who pay a smaller upfront investment per core and less in electricity per core. Bigger bang for the buck when the glove fits.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by andix »

datenwolf wrote: post #119
2000UltraDeluxe wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have an address on your passport? I can see how that could cause issues if the address isn't valid. If I'd have to determine if your order was fraudulent or not, I'd err on the side of caution rather than risk having you abuse my server infrastructure (in the case of Hetzner).

A lot of people confuse the passport (Pass) with the national identity card (Personalausweis). There's no place of residence stated on the German passport, but it is part of the Personalausweis. Since German citizens by law are required to own a Personalausweis (there's no mandate to carry it around, just having it somewhere in a drawer suffices), practically all businesses in Germany do rely on the Personalausweis t…

This is a very German thing. I’ve never seen ID cards from other countries that include an address of residence. Also the obligation to own an ID card is a very foreign concept in most other countries.

I had that issue with German companies before, especially those who rarely deal with international customers. For example in Austria only a few people own an ID card (most people have a passport, but not everyone). So the german companies were very surprised when I gave them a copy of the Austrian ID card, that also doesn’t have an address on it.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by pachico »

We are decommissioning all our dedicated servers at Hetzner. This is not because we didn't like that service but because we are concentrating our efforts in AWS.

It's been a wonderful ride. It's cheap and reliable.

I wish our team was big enough to afford having to deal with dedicated hardware.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by ojosilva »

solalf wrote: post #3

Could somebody walk me through why ARM based servers are so inexpensive compared to their x86 counterparts? Is performance much lower? 16 cores & 32gb of RAM for less than 25 euros seems like a bargain.

Firstly ARM processors are simpler to produce, with simpler circuitry (RISC!), although the number of transistors tend to be similar between the two platforms.

Research costs are also very expensive for x86, with 2 vendors (Intel and AMD) competing savagely in many different markets such as high-end gaming, servers, ultrabooks and low cost PCs. However, ARM (the company) focuses on licensing the designs and instruction sets. So their research costs are split among many licensees while ARM focused on what it does best: designing chips.

That in turn translates into many vendors who can focus on improving manufacturing efficiency, procurement, logistics and sales. x86 vendors have a wild range of manufacturing lines to keep up.

Finally, the laws of supply and demand play a huge part. The ARM market is 2 orders of magnitude (!!) greater than x86 as far as raw number of processors shipped, ~370M vs ~32B chips in 2022.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by mardifoufs »

bootsmann wrote: post #111
derefr wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the other side of this. Our SaaS (a data API) has a number of "customers" who attempt to use us (or our competitors; we're not special here) to power some data displays on their phishing-scam websites, to make them seem more legitimate. We ban these people — they're violating our ToU by engaging in illegal activities. But they come back. With different names, different IPs, different browsers, different cre…

We crawl through data like this professionally and from what we see, Hetzner isn't actually that bad at combating fraud. They are not GCP or AWS but there are other hosters of similar scale that have significantly worse response times and leave up clearly compromised machines for a lot longer.

I'm very curious to know who are the worst offenders! (If you can/want to share the details, obviously :) )

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by andix »

pachico wrote: post #126

We are decommissioning all our dedicated servers at Hetzner. This is not because we didn't like that service but because we are concentrating our efforts in AWS. It's been a wonderful ride. It's cheap and reliable. I wish our team was big enough to afford having to deal with dedicated hardware.

Hetzner also has cloud servers and an API to provision them. There is even a terraform module for hetzner cloud. It works very well. But they don’t provide any managed services, like databases or blob storage.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by daneel_w »

solarkraft wrote: post #51
jacooper wrote: post #45

Finally! That's where ARM Alta CPUs shine Try your luck to get them for free in oracle free tier, just make sure to have backups!

Oracle's free tier is cool. I've let my free instance expire and so far haven't noticed them doing anything weird with my credit card info. Also haven't been sued yet. But let's see.

If your tenancy is unpaid your "always free"-classed instances can be terminated without notice in order to provide capacity for a paid tenancy when necessary. You can upgrade to paid tenancy and simply keep using "always free" resources for a $0.00 monthly bill.
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