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Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Finally! That's where ARM Alta CPUs shine Try your luck to get them for free in oracle free tier, just make sure to have backups!

Oracle's free tier is cool. I've let my free instance expire and so far haven't noticed them doing anything weird with my credit card info.

Also haven't been sued yet. But let's see.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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If you have access to them a much more informative datapoint would be `openssl speed rsa` or `lzbench`. Sysbench is just a stunt it doesn't indicate much at all.

Here's a lzbench dd if=/dev/urandom of=1GB.bin bs=64M count=16 iflag=fullblock Intel: Compressor Compress. Decompress. Compr. size Ratio Filename memcpy 5062 MB/s 5013 MB/s 1073741824 100.00 1GB.bin zstd 1.5.2 -2 2083 MB/s 4743 MB/s 1073766410 100.00 1GB.bin zstd 1.5.2 -5 210 MB/s 4775 MB/s 1073766410 100.00 1GB.bin zstd 1.5.2 -9 85.5 MB/s 4774 MB/s 1073766410 100.00 1GB.bin Arm: Compressor Compress. Decompress. Comp…

Nice. Showing off Neoverse's superior single-core load/store abilities.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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These are VPSs. You can SSH, use the root user, and when setting up you can choose what OS to use, they give a list or iirc they let you upload your own ISO.

Any recommendations for an uncomplicated server OS which will just run Docker, SSH and not much more? I'm currently running Ubuntu but am open to alternatives. My local Raspberry Pi uses a fun, but little maintained OS called Hypriot which is just this: Start Docker and not much more.

Ubuntu is fine for that use case.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Did a quick comparison between intel 2 vCPU and Arm 2 vCPU, these are shared CPUs though so YMMV: sysbench cpu --threads=2 run Intel events per second: 1864.20 Arm events per second: 6687.05 Coremark Intel iterations/sec: 20077.633516 Arm iterations/sec: 23625.767837

If you have access to them a much more informative datapoint would be `openssl speed rsa` or `lzbench`. Sysbench is just a stunt it doesn't indicate much at all.

Sysbench is a better synthetic test in my opinion because it does a lot of varied grinding instead of trying to evaluate the entire CPU using just one very narrow and specific task. Even on the same Linux distribution there can be a lot of differences between x86 and Arm builds because OpenSSL cannot be entirely orthogonal in its use of assembly optimizations and CPU crypto acceleration, even for the RSA benchmark.

To offer a somewhat more varied example I've tested the POV-Ray benchmarker on Debian 11 on Oracle's Ampere Altra servers ("A1.Flex") versus an identical setup/build running on a 2 GHz EPYC 7281-based x86-64 VPS, and on that single-threaded test the Arm VPS handily outpaced the EPYC with almost 2x the performance.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Never figured out how to use Hertzner. Wanted to try since they get such a good reputation on here, but they banned my account when their system presented no way for me to verify my identity. The required either PayPal or passport. I have no PayPal account, and their 3rd party verification system only allows passport from your country of residence (signup requires providing a contact address and they pre fill using t…

Sadly not, and I'm one of the happy Hetzner customers

They are remarkably well known for having draconian anti-fraud

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Never figured out how to use Hertzner. Wanted to try since they get such a good reputation on here, but they banned my account when their system presented no way for me to verify my identity. The required either PayPal or passport. I have no PayPal account, and their 3rd party verification system only allows passport from your country of residence (signup requires providing a contact address and they pre fill using t…

This has come up a few times on HN, if you search comments for "Hetzner fraud". The solution is to use a different provider if you can't use Hetzner.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Could somebody walk me through why ARM based servers are so inexpensive compared to their x86 counterparts? Is performance much lower? 16 cores & 32gb of RAM for less than 25 euros seems like a bargain.

Maybe competition? x86 has only 2 competitors left. ARM has more diverse ecosystem of competitors and the environments ha been different. ARM design had to be adjusted/developed for a cell phones often cost 10% of a normal computers (main use of x86). I can buy a cell phone a display, battery, memory and ARM cpu for $100 total (no idea how much ARM chip alone cost). The phone will have a semi-acceptable performance.…

But the makers of the CPUs are still server focused. Then again it's a lot easier to become one with ARM.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Never figured out how to use Hertzner. Wanted to try since they get such a good reputation on here, but they banned my account when their system presented no way for me to verify my identity. The required either PayPal or passport. I have no PayPal account, and their 3rd party verification system only allows passport from your country of residence (signup requires providing a contact address and they pre fill using t…

I sent them a photo of my passport encrypted with their pgp key. This was a long time ago, so the process might have changed, but it seemed entirely manual.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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I don't understand the hype around ARM64 in the server space. Is this just due to all the marketing from Apple around their proprietary M processors leaking into the enterprise market?

The latest Xeon and EPYC offerings are very performance competitive, I doubt we need to overhaul and entire processor ISA paradigm for continued improvements.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have access to them a much more informative datapoint would be `openssl speed rsa` or `lzbench`. Sysbench is just a stunt it doesn't indicate much at all.

Here's a lzbench dd if=/dev/urandom of=1GB.bin bs=64M count=16 iflag=fullblock Intel: Compressor Compress. Decompress. Compr. size Ratio Filename memcpy 5062 MB/s 5013 MB/s 1073741824 100.00 1GB.bin zstd 1.5.2 -2 2083 MB/s 4743 MB/s 1073766410 100.00 1GB.bin zstd 1.5.2 -5 210 MB/s 4775 MB/s 1073766410 100.00 1GB.bin zstd 1.5.2 -9 85.5 MB/s 4774 MB/s 1073766410 100.00 1GB.bin Arm: Compressor Compress. Decompress. Comp…

Looks like the ARM one has twice the memory bandwidth, which would help with a lot of workloads.
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