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Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Could somebody walk me through why ARM based servers are so inexpensive compared to their x86 counterparts? Is performance much lower? 16 cores & 32gb of RAM for less than 25 euros seems like a bargain.

Here's hoping it's not just an early adopter promo

Hetzner has always had low prices. Should be good.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Did a quick comparison between intel 2 vCPU and Arm 2 vCPU, these are shared CPUs though so YMMV: sysbench cpu --threads=2 run Intel events per second: 1864.20 Arm events per second: 6687.05 Coremark Intel iterations/sec: 20077.633516 Arm iterations/sec: 23625.767837

If you have access to them a much more informative datapoint would be `openssl speed rsa` or `lzbench`. Sysbench is just a stunt it doesn't indicate much at all.

New Hetzner ARM: sign verify sign/s verify/s

rsa 512 bits 0.000070s 0.000006s 14268.2 159885.6

rsa 1024 bits 0.000405s 0.000021s 2468.4 47757.7

rsa 2048 bits 0.002847s 0.000078s 351.3 12830.1

Hetzner x86: sign verify sign/s verify/s

rsa 512 bits 0.000067s 0.000004s 14893.9 240902.8

rsa 1024 bits 0.000127s 0.000009s 7845.9 114300.9

rsa 2048 bits 0.000874s 0.000027s 1144.6 36800.6

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Great news. I'd like to see how a vCPU compares between arm64 and amd64 but not sure how to best go about it. I've created VMs for both with 4 vCPU and will run the phoronix benchmark suite. After that I'll probably try 16 arm vs 8 amd vCPU because that's a closer match in terms of price. Any suggestions welcome but I also don't want to spend too many hours on it. Will post results. Ran the kernel build benchmark (re…

>I'd like to see how a vCPU compares between arm64 and amd64 That depends on how many vCPUs are they running on each physical core for both x86 and ARM.

Yes and we might never know or maybe it's not even static.

This will never be 100% scientific or correct since there are many factors that come into play, stuff like noisy neighbour for example.

What I'm trying to get is a ballpark idea of how their arm vCPU compares to the amd equivalent.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Does anyone know if there is ssh/root access and what OS the servers are running?

These are VPSs. You can SSH, use the root user, and when setting up you can choose what OS to use, they give a list or iirc they let you upload your own ISO.

Any recommendations for an uncomplicated server OS which will just run Docker, SSH and not much more?

I'm currently running Ubuntu but am open to alternatives. My local Raspberry Pi uses a fun, but little maintained OS called Hypriot which is just this: Start Docker and not much more.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Could somebody walk me through why ARM based servers are so inexpensive compared to their x86 counterparts? Is performance much lower? 16 cores & 32gb of RAM for less than 25 euros seems like a bargain.

Demand and supply. Even if they did offer equal performance most of your docker images and other binaries may need to be rebuilt. The inertia is hard to beat.

AWS has been trying really hard with Graviton 3.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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One of the chat support people told me that they were going to do that pretty soon. Haven't seen anything though.

When was this? This one really interests me.

A couple of months ago. They seemed to suggest a launch was imminent, as in "wait around a couple of weeks, rent GPUs just like everything else". But I haven't seen it since, so kinda odd.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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I hope Hetzner starts offering GPU instances like Vultr.

Hetzner at some point used to offer dedicated servers with GPUs like a nVidia 1080 but stopped offering these because there was a lot of fraud and abuse involving crypto miners.

With all the AI hype I'd assume they'll try to offer GPU instances again with precautions put in place.

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Never figured out how to use Hertzner. Wanted to try since they get such a good reputation on here, but they banned my account when their system presented no way for me to verify my identity.

The required either PayPal or passport. I have no PayPal account, and their 3rd party verification system only allows passport from your country of residence (signup requires providing a contact address and they pre fill using this address; you can’t change the passport country). I am a British citizen living in Japan, and therefore hold a British passport; there was no way for me to provide a Japanese passport. I asked what I should do to comply, and they banned my account 6 hours later.

I can’t be the only one to experience this, can I?

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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I've benchmarked ARM systems vs other processors. On my workload, using Intel as a baseline. AMD under performs relative to standard benchmarks. ARM over performs relative to standard benchmarks. I have seen good performance from Ampere, particularly for the price. However, ARM architecture complicates my workflow significantly. I've found that they are not worth using it right now due to compatibility issues, easier…

Try alpinelinux, you'll be able to find almost everything, coupled with nix for just in case. I've yet to find any package missing.

Introducing new distros to solve the problem is moving in the wrong direction. It's so much easier to deal with one distro in the cloud. Just more reasons not to go multi uArch.

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These are VPSs. You can SSH, use the root user, and when setting up you can choose what OS to use, they give a list or iirc they let you upload your own ISO.

Any recommendations for an uncomplicated server OS which will just run Docker, SSH and not much more? I'm currently running Ubuntu but am open to alternatives. My local Raspberry Pi uses a fun, but little maintained OS called Hypriot which is just this: Start Docker and not much more.

Just stick Debian on it. It'll be familiar enough from your Ubuntu experience, and if all you're going to do is slap Docker on it and run everything in containers you can just use Debian Stable, not care that things in the repo might not be bang up to date, stick unattended-upgrades on it, and never really worry about it until dist-upgrade time.
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