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Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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Wondering the last few years how long my Plex lifetime pass will last now.

I bought lifetime licenses for the other competitors of Plex: TVersity, PlayOn, Twonky. Twonky currently is the only one I'm using, but all of them seem to respect the lifetime licenses! They've moved on to newer versions which use subscription models, so I don't get new features. Twonky still offers old version downloads (which is nice), but I'm not sure the others do. Honestly, I'm not sure I need any of this softw…

> Twonky

Twonky (running on a WRT350n in ~2010) was the first media server that got me on the path to Plex. Glad to hear it’s still kicking.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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Cost of lifetime license: $39 Time used so far: 4 years Time remaining with new license: 2 years Time lost due to license change: 20 years Damages awarded to the plaintiff: $30

Court fees: $70

Could be recovered in a winning case, right?

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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While the contract would mean they have the right to terminate the "lifetime license", it would also mean that the phrasing "lifetime license" is false advertising isn't it?

I’m not sure, since “lifetime warranties” are never actually perpetual either.

Well, they're presumably good for the lifetime of the product. Oh, it failed after 6 months? Tough... that was obviously the limit of its lifetime.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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Ugh, please don’t make it worse and escalate to “lie”. You’re blaming the wrong source, and have it backwards IMO. The previous owners weren’t lying, the new owners are the ones to blame for breaking a pre-existing contract with the company. Breaking this contract might not be legal, and in that sense they may be only the ones lying.

If the previous owners were truly committed to upholding the lifetime license, they would have never sold the company without an ironclad legally enforceable guarantee the new owners would uphold the lifetime license as well. They clearly didn't. They either didn't care, or it would have decreased the sale price of the company (or the ability to sell it at all) and they preferred the money. So I absolutely hold the o…

Why do you believe the contract with the customer isn’t legally enforceable? The new owners may just be choosing to break the law because they believe nobody will attempt to sue them over fifty bucks or whatever.

I guess you can decide to blame whoever you want, but the legal responsibility for upholding a contract lies with the company, and a change of ownership doesn’t change that from a legal perspective. It also doesn’t change or help anything to make wild assumptions about what the previous owners cared about. You simply cannot control what a new owner does with your company once you sell it, that’s what selling it means.

Using words like “lying” when people may have had every intention to meet the contract is just an exaggeratory drain on having reasonable conversation.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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I just want to state outright that OP was wronged, and I side with them. That being said; I dislike both full subscription (i.e. breaks on expiration) and lifetime licenses. Subscriptions are too expensive for software that rarely gets major investment and lifetime licenses are dishonest (e.g. company cannot work for free, so their funded is based on unlimited growth, which isn't realistic for most). My current favor…

I think there is plenty of room for lifetime licenses. In fact pretty much any video game works this way! I bought Zelda from Nintendo a few years ago, and Nintendo is not making any money from that purchase any more. But they instead make a new game, which I'll buy, and the cycle continues...

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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Can’t wait for the social credit score determining people’s career prospects!

Making unethical business decisions that negatively impact customers is a bit different from jaywalking.

We have courts of law that determine fact, and if the behavior isn’t criminal, we have civil courts as well. For professionals we have ethics boards and censuring processes. But do we really want to set up a system where people vote people out of their careers with no review or process? How do you prevent this from being abused? Or worse expanding beyond the original remit to more facets of life? There’s a reason we have reasoned institutions handle these sorts of things rather than the lynch mob. How long until internet trolls use these tools to take down people that go against their politics, or ruin random people for lulz?

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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I think it could be an easyish case for small claims. Bought software at X date, used it for Y years, expected to use it for a further Z years in professional career, and now you can only use it for 2 further years, instead of Z. Get atleast a refund for the years that you won't be able to use.

Cost of lifetime license: $39 Time used so far: 4 years Time remaining with new license: 2 years Time lost due to license change: 20 years Damages awarded to the plaintiff: $30

Author bought "premium lifetime" license. In 2019 May it cost $129 (discounted from $199, apparently).

https://web.archive.org/web/20190508161003/https://manycam.c...

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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Can’t wait for the social credit score determining people’s career prospects!

People must be held accountable for their actions; if it cannot be through self-governance, their reputation must meet needs.

Take them to court. File a grievance. But opening individuals to ruin by internet trolls for lulz, or worse making everyone’s life dictated by collaborative filtering - there’s no good to come of it. Human lives aren’t like product reviews. Scarlet lettering people isn’t a good idea - maybe it works for some, but there will be a lot of innocent people destroyed along the way. Or, people who made unethical decisions at some point in their life and realized their mistake and have reformed. A society of perpetual punishment isn’t a humane society, especially without any review or recourse just anonymous voting.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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I'd say it's dishonest in the sense that a company knows the probabilities are such that they can't actually ever truly support a lifetime license, so it's a lie from the start. At the end of the day, companies usually go out of business or else sell themselves to another company within a certain number of years. And a new company (like in this case) may change their mind about lifetime licenses, because it's a total…

Ugh, please don’t make it worse and escalate to “lie”. You’re blaming the wrong source, and have it backwards IMO. The previous owners weren’t lying, the new owners are the ones to blame for breaking a pre-existing contract with the company. Breaking this contract might not be legal, and in that sense they may be only the ones lying.

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Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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Can I pay to get extra years of software updates on Android yet? The 2-year support thing is awful.

That's more of a manufacturer choice. The pixel and top-tier samsung lines both get 6 years of security updates

This is weird compared to desktop operating systems though. Windows 11 compatibility restrictions aside, most PCs don't require that their OS be customized for their specific hardware. At most, they need a few drivers sourced separately to be fully functional.

In a sane world, I could just install AOSP on any phone without a customization step, and download drivers from the manufacturer's website if it has any weird hardware.

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