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ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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I just want to state outright that OP was wronged, and I side with them. That being said; I dislike both full subscription (i.e. breaks on expiration) and lifetime licenses. Subscriptions are too expensive for software that rarely gets major investment and lifetime licenses are dishonest (e.g. company cannot work for free, so their funded is based on unlimited growth, which isn't realistic for most). My current favor…

I see your point, and I largely agree with you. One trickynes is with the "This incentivizes them to deliver value" part. The problem is that if the software just "works" and there are no compelling new features the user will quite rationally stop buying new updates. Which incentivises the developer to make sure that either the software never really "just works" or that they hype up new features to create FOMO. They…

There are always going to be people not paying that much attention. A subscription model makes revenue a lot more predictable, so the appeal is easy to see for anything you need for work and therefore might consent to a subscription for.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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From the developer side I feel like this type of license makes the most sense to me too. After selling a desktop app with a license like that for a little while though, I’ve also unfortunately realized that not everyone understands it. I had a number of customers referring to it as a “subscription” (which it wasn’t, because it didn’t auto-renew and you could keep using the last version forever) or “lifetime” (which i…

Heh, the DLC business model from games comes to mind.

That would be a choice, wouldn't it! The thought crossed my mind but somehow I see people not being happy with having to pay $X to unlock every little feature, heh.

"Tell 'em what's behind tab number 3, Johnny! Johnny: More gated features!"

There's probably a tipping point somewhere.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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I just want to state outright that OP was wronged, and I side with them. That being said; I dislike both full subscription (i.e. breaks on expiration) and lifetime licenses. Subscriptions are too expensive for software that rarely gets major investment and lifetime licenses are dishonest (e.g. company cannot work for free, so their funded is based on unlimited growth, which isn't realistic for most). My current favor…

+1 for naming jetbrains - I have always liked their way of doing business, including the substantial discount to renew each year - even in years when I don't use their tools much, I renew.

Also specifically like how they remind me many times, and many months in advance that they are going to charge my credit card on my renewal date - unlike the scumbag companies that never want to draw attention to your upcoming renewal, so you don't have a chance to think about not renewing - and then they make it difficult to get a refund. Jetbrains has earned my loyalty - other companies could learn something from them.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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I think the easiest way to communicate it is to just regularly increment your version number and then have people be able to buy version X. Like Photoshop, and really most software used to be sold.

Yeah, that's another way to go, and I considered doing that. The main thing I didn't like about that strategy was how I'd be sitting on lots of unused code between major releases. All the new features sitting on my SSD for months aren't helping any customers :/

Why can't you release features whenever you like under this model?

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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The problem with such betrayal is, that companies names are all but smoke and mirrors by now. The reputational damage should be tracking with the leading employees. One customer betrayal travels along with the manager who caused it, to whatever company s/he touches. No matter how the company is named, no matter how much branding, one linked in api roll call later you know what you got.

In big enough companies is already hard to know who owns what even when you are working there, I cant image how to track this from outside.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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post #71

I just want to state outright that OP was wronged, and I side with them. That being said; I dislike both full subscription (i.e. breaks on expiration) and lifetime licenses. Subscriptions are too expensive for software that rarely gets major investment and lifetime licenses are dishonest (e.g. company cannot work for free, so their funded is based on unlimited growth, which isn't realistic for most). My current favor…

Can I pay to get extra years of software updates on Android yet? The 2-year support thing is awful.

Security updates are ultimately what matters and those are usually a lot longer than Android firmware updates. My 2016 Galaxy S7 got a security update in 2021.

Most of Android's own software updates are little more than window dressing these days.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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post #123

I just want to state outright that OP was wronged, and I side with them. That being said; I dislike both full subscription (i.e. breaks on expiration) and lifetime licenses. Subscriptions are too expensive for software that rarely gets major investment and lifetime licenses are dishonest (e.g. company cannot work for free, so their funded is based on unlimited growth, which isn't realistic for most). My current favor…

+1 for naming jetbrains - I have always liked their way of doing business, including the substantial discount to renew each year - even in years when I don't use their tools much, I renew. Also specifically like how they remind me many times , and many months in advance that they are going to charge my credit card on my renewal date - unlike the scumbag companies that never want to draw attention to your upcoming ren…

The key for getting a refund is to not deal with the company at all but rather initiate a credit card chargeback.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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Can I pay to get extra years of software updates on Android yet? The 2-year support thing is awful.

That's more of a manufacturer choice. The pixel and top-tier samsung lines both get 6 years of security updates

Security updates is carrying a lot of weight here. People are probably expecting feature updates, which is still not a guarantee.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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Has any company’s “lifetime” license lasted more than, say 5 years? 10? (I mean for software that is updated or requires a server of course). I like the jetbrains model well enough.

I think there was a guy that bought a lifetime 1st class plane ticket for 10.000 dollars and used for like 20 years.

Re: ManyCam dishonored my lifetime license

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This is a great idea! A while back I had an idea to maybe scrape Linkedin(or download one of their numerous dumps) to help "track" executive movement from company to company and set alerts if I use products from the new company so I can have a heads up before they inevitably turn to shit. Alternatively, I was also looking to expand this to when companies get bought out by those vulture capital "management" firms as t…

Can’t wait for the social credit score determining people’s career prospects!

The direction that it's coming from matters

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance

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