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"There's no place for superstition in science" The universe is eternal xD
And some want to create God through AI and believe we will achieve eternal life soon afterwards xD We really have no idea…
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This is why I'm perpetually confused by the official swearing of oaths by practicing Christians. There aren't a lot of new rules in the New Testament, but this is one of them. Am I misinterpreting the passage?
No Christian can obey all the statutes of the Bible, or else they'll have to withdraw from modern life. The book is contradictory anyways...another part says obey the laws and regulations of the land. So, if the law says you must swear in, what then? Was raised Christian (no longer one) and even attended a Christian college where we took an oath to be diligent, hard-working students...somebody better not check my tra…
He is simply saying that your outward promises must be a simple reflection of your internal resolve. "simple yes or no". And dressing it up either as being based on divine attribures or your given nature is a form of deception, self-deception or otherwise.
"anything more than this comes from evil"
Which is basically true. You know your internal position. It is either yes or no on 'promise x'. Why dress it up?
> No Christian can obey all the statutes of the Bible
Love God with all your heart and all your mind, and love your neighbor even as yourself. All the law and prophets hang on this.
That's the meta "statue". It's basically the foundation of a subset of human religions, certainly the Abrahamic ones.
Most struggle with loving ourselves, our fellow bipeds, or our God, or some combo but the clue is the implication that they are all one and the same. ["even"]
It is really core to the entire matter. Love in the fullness of its meaning.
Is there any actual strict requirement that you have to swear over a document of some kind? I'd have thought swearing over the bible is a stand-in for swearing "before God", and that God would ultimately be your reckoner should you break your oath. If you don't have that meaning behind the oath, what is the point in using a book at all unless it's something meaningful like the constitution of your country, as another…
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what got me wondering is, how much the contents of the book is actually relevant. that is, i think it is, because it suggests that the person is promising to act according to the principles given in that book, at which point i want to ask how anyone else can accept a book whose contents they are not familiar with, or worse whose contents they would object to? Carl Sagan isn't going to rise from the grave and smite yo…
Meaningless enough to engage a global-level conversation about the meaning of it.
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When I graduated as an Engineer, I swore an oath. I still remember one value that gets tested from time to time is to remember my work is for the betterment of the human condition, not only the perfection of machines. This has guided me through some difficult choices.
It would be nice if all schools did this, but I suspect that doing so, would render the oath almost meaningless.
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Can you give an example of a principle that isn’t made up?
I suppose that's an inaccurate choice of words. I meant to juxtapose something meaningful to someone in stead of the Skygod that the Christians pretend to worship on Sundays.
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If you don't believe in God, there is no difference between the Bible and any other book. You then choose whatever you value.
But do believe that the book you value will hold you accountable for breaking the oath? That’s the point - that a non religious oath is emptier gesture because you don’t expect the thing you’re swearing on to hold you accountable. The point is not that she shouldn’t be able to swear on Sagans book. Or that it doesn’t have meaning to her. Just that there are inherently religious roots to these oaths and when you remov…