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Re: Ask HN: Is Software Getting Worse?

#61

Software complexity is increasing. With the increased complexity many failure modes are not understood by developers. Thus those failures are not handled gracefully. This feels like a decline in quality. Depending on what you measure the quality could actually be better, the same or worse.

Furthermore, with software built as a teetering jenga-tower of abstraction layers and frameworks the actual error often isn't even propogated as far as the UI - and instead of a description of the problem we get "Oops, something went wrong."

This inscrutability of modern software is one of my biggest pet peeves with it. There was a time when the resource-limitations of computers forced software to be much simpler - and the end result was that when things went wrong, someone with sufficient time and motivation could sift through the rubble, figure out what the problem is, and often lash up some kind of workaround. That's getting harder and harder to do these days.

Likewise, in the open-source world, the breadth of dependencies is getting out of hand - I've lost count of the number of times I've tried to build something and had to go on half a dozen side-quests to track down a particular version of a particular build tool because the version in my distro is either too new or too old.

Re: Ask HN: Is Software Getting Worse?

#62

you gave 2 large companies as examples. There's SO MUCH incredible software out these days...better than anything thats come before it...software is getting better - media harvesting is getting worse. So...support good companies, and make a point of not supporting the ones which do this. It comes at a cost - but - that's life. for creators, particularly in music - we've never had it better... PAID -Ableton blows my m…

The load speed on Sublime Text is worth the price alone.

Re: Ask HN: Is Software Getting Worse?

#63
What I interacted with twenty years ago did less, operated on fewer device types, required a great deal more developer expertise and effort to create even simple applications. Commercial software was distributed largely on physical media with a buy it and own it business model (no freemium, ad-supported) and the development processes was largely based on those from the hardware world, i.e no agile.

For most software all of that has changed and it comes with a cost.

Re: Ask HN: Is Software Getting Worse?

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I somewhat disagree. As an avid Visual Studio user.. it's definitly gotton worse. A lot of little Editor UX things seem to stop working. Example: in C++, writing switch(..) on an enum would automatically default create all switch cases. Then later versions, it only occasionally did it, now it doesn't do it at all. Another example: When my application finishes and VS is activated, sometimes the cursor is in one window…

There are better alternatives UX-wise for both of the examples you gave. Visual Studio -> Jetbrains. Windows 11 -> Linux (or Mac) While VS and Windows have gotten worse in recent years, other software like Jetbrains IDEs and Linux UX have gotten better.

Well maybe. But these alternatives come with their own set of problems.

I guess it's a tradeoff.. how much can a software degrade until you're willing to learn and deal with another set of problems. Unfortunalty, you kind of get used to UX quirks.

I have to say though, all in all Win 11 is not as bad as people make it out to be. After turning off a few things, it stops getting in the way.

I'm definitly going to have another look at Jetbrains though.

Re: Ask HN: Is Software Getting Worse?

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post #38

Almost nobody cares about the value to the user anymore. Value to the owner/seller of the product is what matters. This results in poor UX, apps spying you constantly, useless features and easy to fix bugfixes that aren't fixed in years. As a software developer I'm disappointed in this approach. If I can I try my best to produce the best experience for the end user, but in the end I can only get satisfaction in open…

> Almost nobody cares about the value to the user anymore. Value to the owner/seller of the product is what matters.

I think the situation might be different if the expectation for software wasn't that it cost nothing.

Re: Ask HN: Is Software Getting Worse?

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I somewhat disagree. As an avid Visual Studio user.. it's definitly gotton worse. A lot of little Editor UX things seem to stop working. Example: in C++, writing switch(..) on an enum would automatically default create all switch cases. Then later versions, it only occasionally did it, now it doesn't do it at all. Another example: When my application finishes and VS is activated, sometimes the cursor is in one window…

There are better alternatives UX-wise for both of the examples you gave. Visual Studio -> Jetbrains. Windows 11 -> Linux (or Mac) While VS and Windows have gotten worse in recent years, other software like Jetbrains IDEs and Linux UX have gotten better.

Not sure why this is downvoted - I also have the experience that Linux on the desktop now vs 10 years ago is a much better experience, both UX wise (at least in general, though it's a bit subjective), but also in terms of stability.

From what I've scrolled through so far, most examples people give of software that got worse is by Microsoft, though I wouldn't say it's limited to them. There seems to be a desperation for profit in commercial software right now like nothing I've seen in the past. There's usually alternatives worth a look though!

Re: Ask HN: Is Software Getting Worse?

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post #22

Solitaire on Windows 3.1 started almost instantly and did exactly what you wanted. Solitaire on Windows 10 is a laggy behemoth that won't even work if you aren't connected to the Internet. Nobody asked for solitaire to be connected to the Internet. It's absurd that a program should be so much slower on machines that are literally about 1000x faster.

Investors: Dude! How about "IoS"? Internet of Solitaire's! (sound of cash machines)

Re: Ask HN: Is Software Getting Worse?

#68

The alarm app on Windows now asks me to sign into a Microsoft account, presumably so it can track me. I think that answers your question.

Software becomes better but not for user?

Alarm which can track someone seems like more advanced kind of alarm software from some points of view.

Re: Ask HN: Is Software Getting Worse?

#69

When was the last time you had to debug an IRQ conflict? I remember when "Plug and Play" was derisively nicknamed "Plug and Pray". Today, it all just works. When I'm assembling a computer, I don't have to set jumpers. I don't have to fiddle with making sure the boot drive is at the end of the IDE cable rather than the middle. I can just snap all the pieces together like Lego, hit the power button, and be assured that…

> I don't have to fiddle with making sure the boot drive is at the end of the IDE cable rather than the middle.

But now we are having USB-c.

Re: Ask HN: Is Software Getting Worse?

#70

The year is 2036. I sit down at my 128 core 7 GHz computer with 1 Tb of DDR8 memory on my 10 gig fibre line. Discord and MS Teams still take 30 seconds to open.

How did they managed to get 7GHz CPU? Was this nothing more than a marketing way to sell good old 3.5GHz crystals?
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