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Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Where do you go to read up on this?

Product reviews, trigger specifications, and such. It really is just a matter of personal preference. Firearms like Glocks don't have "active safeties" where you enable/disable them with a lever, but they do have a variety of "inactive safeties" which prevent the firearm from discharging when dropped/rattled/whatever.

> Firearms like Glocks don't have "active safeties"

gosh, there’s always some argument about the defn of “safety” when discussing Glock. A Glock trigger has a little spring-loaded tab which is depressed when you hold your finger on the trigger. When it is visible the Glock can not fire. This they call a “safety”, seems a little sketch but ok, I get the point. There’s some other internal features backing it up, but the trigger is most obvious.

The P320 had an internal lock-out widget that would disengage when you pull the trigger a wee bit and a spring loaded sear (? do they call it that for strikers?) one trivial whack away from releasing even if the trigger was not pulled to the break (the expected release point). I would call that absurdly wrong. The upgrade fixed this similarly to the P365.

The P365 has a similar lock-out widget to the P320 (they call it an internal safety in the manual), but it doesn’t disengage until the trigger is pulled into the break. The “striker” has a tab on it which is blocked to that point by the widget. You can disassemble it all and measure the distances the parts move to release, but I actually looked at a SolidWorks 3d model someone in the aftermarket industry shared with me and verified my pistol had the same dimensions at a critical point. I think if the striker tab or the widget broke it could fail silently. I check it about weekly or less.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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post #17

Reminds me of the smoking/cancer playbook. Dodge, deny & deflect no matter how obvious it is that there is a real problem >No regulatory body has the power to investigate alleged defects or impose a mandatory recall of guns. Whoever came up with that idea should probably be shot (intentionally)

If this is an actual problem, it’s not obvious to me. The fact that nobody’s been able to replicate this without pulling the trigger is concerning.

Having two redundant internal safety systems fail, and mysteriously fire seems so considerably less plausible than negligent discharge that I think anecdotal evidence isn’t enough.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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There is no discharge of a round with a misfire, at least US terminology, misfiring is synonymous with failure to fire, it happens when the hammer / firing pin is released but the primer is not ignited. There is a stigma around unintentional discharges for a good reason, because it is almost always a _negligent_ discharge and not an _accidental_ discharge, if someone NDs I do not want them around me and a firearm.

This is minute gun nerd semantics people outside that world don't recognize or care about this difference.

Accurate word use is correct. Inaccurate word use is false. People care about true and false statements. Please only refer to your own beliefs, as your statment is patently false.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no discharge of a round with a misfire, at least US terminology, misfiring is synonymous with failure to fire, it happens when the hammer / firing pin is released but the primer is not ignited. There is a stigma around unintentional discharges for a good reason, because it is almost always a _negligent_ discharge and not an _accidental_ discharge, if someone NDs I do not want them around me and a firearm.

This is minute gun nerd semantics people outside that world don't recognize or care about this difference.

Sometimes the specific technical terms for things is important. Especially in the case of a safety hazard.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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post #8

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You should probably read up on why carrying a gun without a round in the chamber is silly.

Are you expecting to get into a quick draw shootout at the walgreens or what.

Police drawing their weapons typically want to be able to fire immediately.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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The worst part is the stigma surrounding misfires, with some people even losing their jobs. Danish military is also using this gun in the no-safety version, and have had several misfires. The blame always goes on the users, never the gun.

There is no discharge of a round with a misfire, at least US terminology, misfiring is synonymous with failure to fire, it happens when the hammer / firing pin is released but the primer is not ignited. There is a stigma around unintentional discharges for a good reason, because it is almost always a _negligent_ discharge and not an _accidental_ discharge, if someone NDs I do not want them around me and a firearm.

You're right I meant accidental discharges. Not a native English speaker, nor a gun nerd.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

#28
post #17

Reminds me of the smoking/cancer playbook. Dodge, deny & deflect no matter how obvious it is that there is a real problem >No regulatory body has the power to investigate alleged defects or impose a mandatory recall of guns. Whoever came up with that idea should probably be shot (intentionally)

If this is an actual problem, it’s not obvious to me. The fact that nobody’s been able to replicate this without pulling the trigger is concerning. Having two redundant internal safety systems fail, and mysteriously fire seems so considerably less plausible than negligent discharge that I think anecdotal evidence isn’t enough.

>The fact that nobody’s been able to replicate this without pulling the trigger is concerning.

That's what SIG is claiming. Yet lower in the article:

>A video released in August that year by a Texas gun store showed the gun firing consistently when dropped at certain angles. The impact caused the trigger to depress, the video showed.

Assuming negligence on an individual cases makes sense. Happens. When you've got a cluster of reports centered around one specific model and there is evidence of said model firing without trigger being pressed...that's a lot of smoke to be insisting there can't be a fire

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no discharge of a round with a misfire, at least US terminology, misfiring is synonymous with failure to fire, it happens when the hammer / firing pin is released but the primer is not ignited. There is a stigma around unintentional discharges for a good reason, because it is almost always a _negligent_ discharge and not an _accidental_ discharge, if someone NDs I do not want them around me and a firearm.

You're right I meant accidental discharges. Not a native English speaker, nor a gun nerd.

No worries, I'm both, please don't hold it against me.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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post #11

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In general, handguns with active safety levers are considered less-safe than firearms without active safeties when being carried in proper holsters (ones where the trigger area is completely covered) because of the additional steps required to use the firearm when it is deployed. Having a pistol come out of the holster ready-to-fire is always going to be advantageous to having to remember to manipulate the safety lev…

> Having a pistol come out of the holster ready-to-fire is always going to be advantageous to having to remember to manipulate the safety lever, Just like not wearing seatbelts is safer, since you get thrown clear of the wreck? Officers get in waaaay more physical altercations than quick-draw duels at the OK Corral. Lack of safety switches is only more advantageous to the subjects they inevitably end up grappling wit…

And that is why police officers use Level 3 holsters.

https://safariland.com/collections/level-3-retention-holster...

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