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Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Post by cshimmin »

visarga wrote: post #356
pyth0 wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I expect there will be an open model on the level of chatGPT by the end of the year because suddenly there are lots of interested parties and investors. I really don't think you understand just how absurdly high the cost is to train models of this size (which we still don't know for sure anyways). I struggle to see what entity could afford to do this and release it as no cost. That doesn't even touch on the fact th…

Still cheaper than a plane, a ship or a power plant, and there are thousands of those.

And how many are given away for free?

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Post by nl »

kranke155 wrote: post #444
cubefox wrote: post #272

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The main selling point to online shops would have to be a substantial reduction in fees compared to credit cards / PayPal. Most shops don't care about censorship since they wouldn't be affected anyway.

Yeah I don’t see that happening anymore. Crypto is always going to have fees and off-ramps, although I do think it’s helped create competition in the transfer space. The real way crypto will work or not work is programmable money. If that works that will be huge, if it doesn’t then maybe someone will pick it back up 50 years from now.

The problem in this specific space is that many people don't want their payments to a NSFW company to be associated with them. Most blockchains makes this trivially traceable by design.

The ones that don't (eg Tornado cash) end up being used for money laundering so on/off ramps won't touch them. We'll see what happens with the ZK-based chains, but this seems a systematic problem that is difficult to fix.

Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Post by EntrePrescott »

two_in_one wrote: post #460
dpflan wrote: post #44

"Dario Amodei, the former VP of research at OpenAI, launched Anthropic in 2021 as a public benefit corporation, taking with him a number of OpenAI employees, including OpenAI’s former policy lead Jack Clark. Amodei split from OpenAI after a disagreement over the company’s direction, namely the startup’s increasingly commercial focus." So Anthropic is the Google-supported equivalent of OpenAI? Isn't the founder going…

"public benefit".. Ah, they are so good. May be they will _open_ something after all.. ;)

yeah, LOL on that. Their idea of "public benefit" is of course that they benefit publicly, though for marketing purposes "public benefit" sounds nicer (just like the "Open" in "ClosedAI") because people would tend to emotionally associate something nicer with it.

Reminds me of the (possibly LLM-generated) marketing tirade of a voice faking text-to-speech service recently here on hn, which ended with: "We are thrilled to be sharing our new model, and look forward to feedback!":

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35328698

… "share" yeah right… like: where can I download the model then? Of course they didn't mean to actually share their model but only to rent out remote access to it, but that doesn't sound as nice as "share".

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Post by EntrePrescott »

selectodude wrote: post #451
bugglebeetle wrote: post #449

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I’m pretty sure you can get a purpose-built pc tower in that range. Why would you favor a Mac over that? A lot of this stuff only has limited support for MacOS.

The unified GPU/CPU memory structure on ARM Macs is very, very helpful for running these LLMs locally.

Is there a big difference in principle between that and the "shared video memory" that has long existed on cheap x86 machines?

…or is it just that the latter had a way too weak iGPU and not enough RAM for AI purposes, whereas the bigger ARM MACs have more GPU power and enough RAM (more than most affordable discrete graphic cards) so that they are usable for some AI models?

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Post by pharmakom »

sharemywin wrote: post #76
Tepix wrote: post #46

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It's a bit early to tell, isn't it? If we get more unexpected emergent abilities by scaling the model further, things could get very interesting indeed.

Would you rather? invest in super intelligent AGI or NOT invest in super intelligent AGI. Especially if one of those emergent abilities is deciding your either with me or against me..lol

It still remains to be seen if LLMs will lead to AGI.

Re: Anthropic’s $5B, 4-year plan to take on OpenAI

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Post by pharmakom »

nr2x wrote: post #383
rsp1984 wrote: post #37

AI models are in a race to the bottom and everybody inside Anthropic knows it. Besides OpenAI, with billions to spend plus a partnership with MS, there's also Google, Apple, Meta and Amazon who can afford to run losses on AI for years without blinking an eye. And if that wasn't enough the Open Source world is releasing new models almost weekly now, for free. Anthropic is putting on a big show to convince gullible inv…

The smart move could be an open-core approach. Release the models, but have the best engineering stack to run the APIs as a service.

But the models are the expensive part to train. Running the models is relatively easy.

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Post by pharmakom »

didgeoridoo wrote: post #22
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #9

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I know you said no details, but can you at least share a little bit more about Claude LLM's code generation?

There is a language with massive usage in the enterprise but with very few (if any) high quality code examples on the public internet. When given a broad task, GPT4 doesn’t just write incorrect code, it tries to do entire categories of things the language literally cannot do because of the ecosystem it runs inside. Claude does a much better job writing usable code, but more importantly it does NOT tell you to do thin…

“I’ve got a secret!”

giggles and runs across the playground

In all seriousness, I downvoted your comments because they added little to the conversation. Congrats on being an insider.

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Post by RamblingCTO »

istjohn wrote: post #357
RamblingCTO wrote: post #286

Lol, "Therapy and coaching". None of you ever had undergone one therapy session. Otherwise you'd know that 90% is the human connection to the therapist, not the talking or the type of therapy.

My experience with therapy, corroborated with that of friends and family, is that most therapists are not very good and many are awful. I can easily imagine an AI therapist soon being more effective on average.

That's why "shopping around" for a well-fitting therapist is the first important step. AI still will not solve this problem.

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Post by RamblingCTO »

jahewson wrote: post #290
RamblingCTO wrote: post #286

Lol, "Therapy and coaching". None of you ever had undergone one therapy session. Otherwise you'd know that 90% is the human connection to the therapist, not the talking or the type of therapy.

That’s not true. Correspondence therapy is a thing. Plenty of research exists in the area of delivering therapy and the effectiveness of different kinds.

Going into a discussion with "that's not true" might not be the best opener ;)

It's not only my personal experience but even people like Irvine Yalom (in Becoming Myself) note that the special form of therapy is not as relevant as the personal connection.

From a quick glance, correspondence therapy is also used on top of an existing relationship most of the time. So I don't see any problem with my initial hypothesis.

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