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Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Post by lemcoe9 »

digitalengineer wrote: post #7
jacobgorm wrote: post #4

The worst part is the stigma surrounding misfires, with some people even losing their jobs. Danish military is also using this gun in the no-safety version, and have had several misfires. The blame always goes on the users, never the gun.

If I'm not mistaking some Sig P320 models come without a safety switch. However, one could, you know, not keep a round in the chamber, especially if there is no safety switch... So yeah, the users does carry some of the blame.

In general, handguns with active safety levers are considered less-safe than firearms without active safeties when being carried in proper holsters (ones where the trigger area is completely covered) because of the additional steps required to use the firearm when it is deployed. Having a pistol come out of the holster ready-to-fire is always going to be advantageous to having to remember to manipulate the safety lever, ensure the firearm is loaded, ensure the firearm is in-battery, etc. when the time comes.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Post by giraffe_lady »

AnonMessiah wrote: post #9
jacobgorm wrote: post #4

The worst part is the stigma surrounding misfires, with some people even losing their jobs. Danish military is also using this gun in the no-safety version, and have had several misfires. The blame always goes on the users, never the gun.

There is no discharge of a round with a misfire, at least US terminology, misfiring is synonymous with failure to fire, it happens when the hammer / firing pin is released but the primer is not ignited. There is a stigma around unintentional discharges for a good reason, because it is almost always a _negligent_ discharge and not an _accidental_ discharge, if someone NDs I do not want them around me and a firearm.

This is minute gun nerd semantics people outside that world don't recognize or care about this difference.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Post by giraffe_lady »

dolni wrote: post #8
digitalengineer wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm not mistaking some Sig P320 models come without a safety switch. However, one could, you know, not keep a round in the chamber, especially if there is no safety switch... So yeah, the users does carry some of the blame.

You should probably read up on why carrying a gun without a round in the chamber is silly.

Are you expecting to get into a quick draw shootout at the walgreens or what.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Post by slowhand09 »

digitalengineer wrote: post #7
jacobgorm wrote: post #4

The worst part is the stigma surrounding misfires, with some people even losing their jobs. Danish military is also using this gun in the no-safety version, and have had several misfires. The blame always goes on the users, never the gun.

If I'm not mistaking some Sig P320 models come without a safety switch. However, one could, you know, not keep a round in the chamber, especially if there is no safety switch... So yeah, the users does carry some of the blame.

Your finger is the safety. Glock pistols have never had a safety. They have no higher rate of negligent or accidental discharges than pistols with safeties. If you are qualified to carry, a round in the chamber is what saves your life. Racking the slide(improperly) to load a round is the number one cause of jams. Nervous people tend to "ride the slide" which is pulling it back, then easing it forward. It should snap forward to strip the round from the magazine and chamber it properly.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Post by AnonMessiah »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #12
AnonMessiah wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no discharge of a round with a misfire, at least US terminology, misfiring is synonymous with failure to fire, it happens when the hammer / firing pin is released but the primer is not ignited. There is a stigma around unintentional discharges for a good reason, because it is almost always a _negligent_ discharge and not an _accidental_ discharge, if someone NDs I do not want them around me and a firearm.

This is minute gun nerd semantics people outside that world don't recognize or care about this difference.

and?

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Post by Havoc »

Reminds me of the smoking/cancer playbook. Dodge, deny & deflect no matter how obvious it is that there is a real problem

>No regulatory body has the power to investigate alleged defects or impose a mandatory recall of guns.

Whoever came up with that idea should probably be shot (intentionally)

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

#18

Post by slowhand09 »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #12
AnonMessiah wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no discharge of a round with a misfire, at least US terminology, misfiring is synonymous with failure to fire, it happens when the hammer / firing pin is released but the primer is not ignited. There is a stigma around unintentional discharges for a good reason, because it is almost always a _negligent_ discharge and not an _accidental_ discharge, if someone NDs I do not want them around me and a firearm.

This is minute gun nerd semantics people outside that world don't recognize or care about this difference.

Nah. There are lots of knowledgeable and precise people who speak of things with the amount of specificity required to communicate the important details.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Post by tru3_power »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #13
dolni wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should probably read up on why carrying a gun without a round in the chamber is silly.

Are you expecting to get into a quick draw shootout at the walgreens or what.

No but in a moment of stress you can easily have a ND/malfunction/not have enough time to aim.

Re: Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

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Post by jstarfish »

lemcoe9 wrote: post #11
digitalengineer wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I'm not mistaking some Sig P320 models come without a safety switch. However, one could, you know, not keep a round in the chamber, especially if there is no safety switch... So yeah, the users does carry some of the blame.

In general, handguns with active safety levers are considered less-safe than firearms without active safeties when being carried in proper holsters (ones where the trigger area is completely covered) because of the additional steps required to use the firearm when it is deployed. Having a pistol come out of the holster ready-to-fire is always going to be advantageous to having to remember to manipulate the safety lev…

> Having a pistol come out of the holster ready-to-fire is always going to be advantageous to having to remember to manipulate the safety lever,

Just like not wearing seatbelts is safer, since you get thrown clear of the wreck?

Officers get in waaaay more physical altercations than quick-draw duels at the OK Corral. Lack of safety switches is only more advantageous to the subjects they inevitably end up grappling with, who have one less step to deal with in removing the officer's service weapon and using it against them.

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