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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by trasz3 »

ajcp wrote: post #112
onion2k wrote: post #10

Having an offer rescinded for 'business reasons' is unbelievably annoying, and the author has my sympathy. That said, it's kind of understandable too. Things happen. The landscape changes. Some people will be affected. You kind of have to roll with it sometimes. I wish the author the best of luck finding something else quickly. What I find truly incredible though is that it took a full year to go from application to…

I'm always astonished at the incredibly slow, inefficient, and bureaucratic hiring processes of what are held to be the most capable companies in the world. I imagine it's also incredibly expensive and -from what I've read- doesn't seem cut down on the cases of false positives it's supposedly there to prevent. I wonder why these companies don't try and emulate something like what a military does: take in the willing…

>most capable companies in the world

Ever wondered why you say that about a company which is living off the network effect (ie monopoly) and fails at pretty much everything they try except for two products they did two decades ago?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by wkimeria »

taylodl wrote: post #383
ghaff wrote: post #264

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That has never been the case at any company I have ever worked for. My impression is that two weeks notice with continued access is pretty standard so long as you're leaving on good terms.

Many companies require staff to leave immediately upon tendering their resignation - including non-IT companies like mine. You tender your resignation and all your access is removed within 24 hours. I work for a utility company that manages what the Department of Homeland Security classifies as 'National Critical Infrastructure', i.e. generation plants, transmission, distribution, metering, and FERC mandates your acc…

Wow!

I have almost 30 years in tech and thankfully have never run across that. But I can see how that could be a thing for other companies/industries.

Every place I have worked I have given 3 week notice, and every potential employer has been ok with me starting in 3 weeks (except one).

The one exception was a company that balked at my request to start in 3 weeks in order to give my current employer time. They countered with "Well, take it now and start immediately, or leave it. You must not be serious about working here." I countered with "You are probably looking to hire people with no sense of responsibility to their current employer". Bullet dodged.

I have quit before I have started. I accepted an offer from a company (after being jobless) but my interaction with their HR the day before I was to start was so rude and combative that after I left, called my future boss there (who I really liked) and told him I was rescinding my acceptance. I then grovelled back to another job whose offer I had turned down (and they re-made the offer). It all worked out.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by dopidopHN »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #280
dopidopHN wrote: post #240

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All the contract I signed in the US ( 5 or 6 ) were « at will » Basically a 1 pager stating the total lack of contract between you and the company. And your salary.

I think that's typical in the US. Makes me wonder why even bother calling it a "contract".

Yeah it’s not like I got a string of abusive contracts. Pay is handsome and some even have actual vacations. But god forbid any type of commitment to each other.

I can be fired at will without notice and vice versa.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by jmalicki »

samstave wrote: post #394
samstave wrote: post #309

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To put icing on the cake, Google recruiters kept calling me for FIVE FUCKING YEARS for the same job... I had to finally tell them I had gone through three months of panel interviews, Ive designed parts of your data centers, video studio and have built every salesforce office in the US at that point, and designed shit for other FAAN companies so give me the damn job or lose my damn number. They stopped calling me for…

Oh, and I have posted this here before, when I was a design eng for ILM/Lucas/Lucas Arts... I was asked "when will you be able to deliver 'Power Over Fiber' (This was a mtg with all of the top execs at Cisco, and All tops at ILM.. and I murdered this this guy (in a polite way) but I pissed my pants on the drive back from Bigrock about how funny that was... Yes, that was me sitting in a design mtg with Cisco CTO and t…

It is a thing!

https://www.fiberopticlink.com/product/fiber-optic-isolation...

(I mean, solar panels are a thing, so turning light into power is definitely possible, and these things do exist.. I just doubt they have the economics the people in that room desired)

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by conductr »

yebyen wrote: post #356
ghaff wrote: post #353

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Not paying out the 2 weeks would be sort of a jerk move. But simply cutting a check and saying "It's been good having you" as they show you the door is perfectly reasonable in some circumstances.

The risk isn't that you'll call them a jerk, it is that when your new job falls through, your old job can no longer credibly claim that you left voluntarily because they moved your quit date. You were fired. So you'll be able to claim unemployment and the business' unemployment insurance premiums could rise. It's bound to be cheaper to pay the two weeks than to pay the increase in unemployment insurance premiums for…

I'm pretty sure they can accept your resignation effective immediately and it not be a firing. Post dating it is a nicety you offered and they declined.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by notahacker »

alfanick wrote: post #149
slymon99 wrote: post #84

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literally no big tech employer is going to allow you to add clauses to your employment contract

Then you tech employee are not big enough. Of course they can do this. Goes to HR, Hiring Manager, HM approves sends back to HR, HR sends to legal, HM pings because legal is slow, bam it's done. Everything can be done between humans.

Goes to HR, HR says "are you kidding me?", informs HM that candidate did not accept the offer, hires different candidate

Goes to HR who thinks about executive relocation packages for a moment, then looks again at what salary band the applicant was in and how much extra they're asking for expenses and informs HM that candidate did not accept the offer, hires different candidate

Goes to HR, HR forwards to HM, HM says "wow, this candidate sounds like an absolute nightmare to manage", hires different candidate

Goes to HR, HR forwards to HM, HM approves and sends back to HR, legal says "no, I don't care how good the candidate is, this provision is too messy". A lucky candidate might at least get "take it or leave it" with the original contract at this stage

Goes to HR, HR forwards to HM, HM approves and sends back to HR, legal is slow so HM pings legal who might have carefully considered precedents with executive relocation but is annoyed to be put on the spot and says no with some cautionary tales about employees who think they're lawyers instead. Another candidate is hired...

All of these scenarios are more likely for most positions than the sequence of events you've described. Humans are good at doing things you don't want them to do too! And if you're in the category of employees who are so special the company will rewrite their standard employment terms just for you, your probably not in the category of employees who risk financial hardship from being made redundant before they start

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by yellowapple »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #277
mcast wrote: post #232

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I think OP meant they’ll be moonlighting 2 jobs for 2 weeks.

Ah. I still don't understand how this isn't considered fraud, or people aren't worried about being prosecuted or sued over it. Getting paid to do two "full-time" jobs simultaneously, without them knowing about it. Maybe just confident they won't get caught.

> I still don't understand how this isn't considered fraud

Because there are 168 hours in a week and each full-time job only consumes 40 of them.

Now, if the employers are competitors of one another, or there's otherwise something that would produce a conflict of interest, then that's another story - but beyond that? As long as you're fulfilling your duties for both jobs, it's neither employers' business what you do on your "free time".

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ghaff »

epage wrote: post #349
irrational wrote: post #246

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At my company, there is no 2 weeks. The day you give your two weeks notice is your last day. We might pay you for those two weeks, depending on circumstances, but your building and network access is cut off within the hour. So, I personally would not give my notice until the day I actually want to be my last day.

I quit a place that had the opposite, you were required to work your last two weeks, no vacation. It was frustrating because I had mapped out using up my vacation before the job change, unaware of the policy.

If I quit and gave two weeks notice (and expected to be paid for that time), I would absolutely expect to be working for those two weeks doing the whole handoff thing which is why notice is often the custom. Past that, I'd expect vacation to be either paid out where those are the rules or taken after "last day of work" (which has some benefits for the employee).

In this case, you probably weren't actually required so if you really wanted to take the full vacation, you should probably be have been "I won't be here on Monday."

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by jrochkind1 »

yellowapple wrote: post #407
jrochkind1 wrote: post #277

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Ah. I still don't understand how this isn't considered fraud, or people aren't worried about being prosecuted or sued over it. Getting paid to do two "full-time" jobs simultaneously, without them knowing about it. Maybe just confident they won't get caught.

> I still don't understand how this isn't considered fraud Because there are 168 hours in a week and each full-time job only consumes 40 of them. Now, if the employers are competitors of one another, or there's otherwise something that would produce a conflict of interest, then that's another story - but beyond that? As long as you're fulfilling your duties for both jobs, it's neither employers' business what you do…

You really think people doing this are working 80 hours a week, 40 on each job?

That seems unlikely to me, but maybe not to you? Or you're saying it's like plausible deniability, like nobody can prove they weren't, or something?

I wonder if GP who mentioned giving his two weeks notice on first day of new job... was planning on working 80 hour weeks for two weeks while they overlapped?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ajcp »

trasz3 wrote: post #401
ajcp wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm always astonished at the incredibly slow, inefficient, and bureaucratic hiring processes of what are held to be the most capable companies in the world. I imagine it's also incredibly expensive and -from what I've read- doesn't seem cut down on the cases of false positives it's supposedly there to prevent. I wonder why these companies don't try and emulate something like what a military does: take in the willing…

>most capable companies in the world Ever wondered why you say that about a company which is living off the network effect (ie monopoly) and fails at pretty much everything they try except for two products they did two decades ago?

> companies

I didn't say that about a company

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