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GPT-4 gets a B on my quantum computing final exam

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Re: GPT-4 gets a B on my quantum computing final exam

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never saw a scantron at my college. I thought UTAustin was an elite school.

The enrollment at UT Austin is ~50K. No way you can grade that many tests by hand. Source: I went to UT for grad school and was a TA.

It's safe to assume the enrollment of Prof. Aaronson's Quantum Computing course isn't 50k.

Re: GPT-4 gets a B on my quantum computing final exam

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never saw a scantron at my college. I thought UTAustin was an elite school.

The enrollment at UT Austin is ~50K. No way you can grade that many tests by hand. Source: I went to UT for grad school and was a TA.

Enrolment at my uni is 70k. There is no real problem with long form questions on the test, even for first year classes. I was also a TA. You can have more correctors, and I'd assume a quantum computing class won't even have too many students.

Re: GPT-4 gets a B on my quantum computing final exam

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never saw a scantron at my college. I thought UTAustin was an elite school.

The enrollment at UT Austin is ~50K. No way you can grade that many tests by hand. Source: I went to UT for grad school and was a TA.

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Re: GPT-4 gets a B on my quantum computing final exam

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An LLM being able to pass your graduate-level exam almost certainly means that your exam is bad. Lots of lazy professors do things like this (true/false and multiple choice answers, very soft questions, etc.), and the presence of GPTs should help them understand that this is not sufficient for evaluating someone's knowledge of a highly technical topic.

Scott Aaronson is one of the best professors and researchers in this field in the world.

Re: GPT-4 gets a B on my quantum computing final exam

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When I was growing up in the 2000s, it was required to learn a foreign language in school. I took Spanish but dropped the class after a year, thinking that when I grew up, computers would be able to translate text far better humans could. Would you believe it, transformers were invented ten years later. I wonder if it's worth learning anything anymore.

I truly pity you for thinking that learning a foreign language is a redundant exercise because of machine translation. And besides, though machines may perform well on menus and tax returns, I hardly think them on the cusp of emitting fine translations of great poems or novels.

I literally had a menu two days ago that translated "confit" as "candied". I'm not sure I'd trust a machine on a menu or my tax returns yet.

Re: GPT-4 gets a B on my quantum computing final exam

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This is obviously very cool, but at this point — who knows what I’ll say in a year — my concern with these LLMs is that they’re in the uncanny valley. Here’s one passing a very difficult test. Amazing! Now, rely on it to build a nuclear doohickey for a power station or a multi-billion dollar device for CERN or anything really and, well, no. So humans still have to check the output, and now we’re in that situation whe…

that’s just QA and human work requires those same feedback loops, feedback is the cornerstone of all value delivery pipelines really

Re: GPT-4 gets a B on my quantum computing final exam

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post #25

This is obviously very cool, but at this point — who knows what I’ll say in a year — my concern with these LLMs is that they’re in the uncanny valley. Here’s one passing a very difficult test. Amazing! Now, rely on it to build a nuclear doohickey for a power station or a multi-billion dollar device for CERN or anything really and, well, no. So humans still have to check the output, and now we’re in that situation whe…

Also today humans need to check the output, code reviews etc. Maybe in the near future humans can just focus on the reviewing and testing part.

Sure, but we'll get lazy.

Re: GPT-4 gets a B on my quantum computing final exam

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post #25

This is obviously very cool, but at this point — who knows what I’ll say in a year — my concern with these LLMs is that they’re in the uncanny valley. Here’s one passing a very difficult test. Amazing! Now, rely on it to build a nuclear doohickey for a power station or a multi-billion dollar device for CERN or anything really and, well, no. So humans still have to check the output, and now we’re in that situation whe…

I agree with the point you're making here, but it’s also funny that the description of someone passing a test but not being able to do much without a lot of human supervision is… exactly the description of a human college graduate.

Re: GPT-4 gets a B on my quantum computing final exam

#39
Look, it's impressive yes or yes but is it that surprising that a system like an LLM does well on exams?

What is an exam? It's an attempt to test that you have consumed and understood large amounts of information and can apply it to novel (ish) situations, but in a very 'sandboxed' way that is just text-in-text-out. That's literally what these systems are specialists in doing.

Is it maybe a bit like saying a driverless car can outperform most human drivers in a time trial on a race track? Not a trivial feat, to be sure, but also not that surprising perhaps once the basics are dialled in.

Re: GPT-4 gets a B on my quantum computing final exam

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Multiple choice and true false questions were fairly common in my undergraduate experience, particularly in first year courses. Often they were Scantron forms for maximum laziness.

I never saw a scantron at my college. I thought UTAustin was an elite school.

STEM at large public schools is almost exclusively 100+ person classes with maybe 2 TAs, who are more interested in their research than grading exams. We end up with easy to grade exams. I went to a similarly, if not more, prestigious public school and cs exams were usually around 20 multiple choice and 2 or so extended response.
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