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Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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I have a thing for not taking advice from someone that doesn't listen to their doctor.

That could imply that humans are very low dimensional, such that a habit of not listening to doctors immediately carries over into their product design habits. Have you found this to be the case about humans? I personally haven't. I've experienced humans to be highly complex and multi layered, often applying different concepts and world views to different domains. In some areas they are driven by fear, in other areas…

I've worked hand-in-hand with technologly static religiously devout Amish. They listen to their doctor.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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post #3

It's amazing how much "mystique" is assigned to a man who's success can probably be at least 75% attributed to just being an enthusiast about his own products in a business world where it's usually limited to the founding members. How many CEOs, product managers and the like have been caught promoting their own brand with a "tweeted from iPhone" tagline. Probably "efficient business people", but literally won't touch…

But the thing is, we all tolerate things which are sheer crap, if viewed through a different set of lenses. For example, you probably tolerate many things that I personally would consider rubbish, and vice versa. You say it’s trivial to have good taste, but it’s not trivial at all. My point is, many of us would have thought the plastic screen was fine, and that wasn’t because we weren’t “enthusiastic” about our own p…

> You say it’s trivial to have good taste, but it’s not trivial at all.

I 100% agree. "Good taste" is just another phrase that means "style that I prefer". There is no such thing as an objective ideal of good taste. It's all about human preferences, and that gets very complicated very quickly.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stolen? Do you mean purchased?

Indeed, NeXTSTEP was purchased by Apple, as a part of NeXT Inc. NeXT Inc., in turn, was originally founded by some guy named Steve. So yeah, not exactly stolen.

Not "stolen" in a derogative way, but OFC I knew NeXT it's from Steve. But Apple without NeXT and BSD core it would die in 2001 against XP in the desktops. 2000 already was lights ahead Mac OS 9. In scientific Unix usage, GNU/Linux already won.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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post #3

It's amazing how much "mystique" is assigned to a man who's success can probably be at least 75% attributed to just being an enthusiast about his own products in a business world where it's usually limited to the founding members. How many CEOs, product managers and the like have been caught promoting their own brand with a "tweeted from iPhone" tagline. Probably "efficient business people", but literally won't touch…

But the thing is, we all tolerate things which are sheer crap, if viewed through a different set of lenses. For example, you probably tolerate many things that I personally would consider rubbish, and vice versa. You say it’s trivial to have good taste, but it’s not trivial at all. My point is, many of us would have thought the plastic screen was fine, and that wasn’t because we weren’t “enthusiastic” about our own p…

It would've been fine, but it would not have been "perfect". Evidently some markets grossly overvalue quality of the product more than anything else (in comparison to other markets).

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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post #3

It's amazing how much "mystique" is assigned to a man who's success can probably be at least 75% attributed to just being an enthusiast about his own products in a business world where it's usually limited to the founding members. How many CEOs, product managers and the like have been caught promoting their own brand with a "tweeted from iPhone" tagline. Probably "efficient business people", but literally won't touch…

In some ways this can be read as minimizing Jobs, on the other hand you can hold this up against the vast majority of todays operators/founders and find them lacking. No one is going to care about your product more than you, so if you don't care.. then no one does. Jobs got that and lived by it. It sounds trivial, but how many of the current FAANG founders/CEOs actually care about their product outside of Zuck? Musk…

> outside of Zuck?

I don't think Zuckerberg cares about his product, really. He cares about the income from his product. That's a different thing.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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post #3

It's amazing how much "mystique" is assigned to a man who's success can probably be at least 75% attributed to just being an enthusiast about his own products in a business world where it's usually limited to the founding members. How many CEOs, product managers and the like have been caught promoting their own brand with a "tweeted from iPhone" tagline. Probably "efficient business people", but literally won't touch…

But the thing is, we all tolerate things which are sheer crap, if viewed through a different set of lenses. For example, you probably tolerate many things that I personally would consider rubbish, and vice versa. You say it’s trivial to have good taste, but it’s not trivial at all. My point is, many of us would have thought the plastic screen was fine, and that wasn’t because we weren’t “enthusiastic” about our own p…

I enjoy nice-looking UIs with smooth animations too, but first they have to cover the basics. That's why I like HN's UI a lot - it's not fancy but it has the rare property of being usable, which already places it in the favorites of UIs in my personal ranking.

I don't think it's meant as a "filter", just built for its target audience of people with high enough standards to dislike blinking notification icons, cookie popups and website loading screens.

> with the idea that somehow, technical brilliance and design chops are inversely correlated and can’t co-exist.

I don't think I've ever witnessed someone expressing this opinion. It just seems to be a rarity that a budget covers both function and form. And if I have to choose then I prefer to not throw my PC out the window.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could imply that humans are very low dimensional, such that a habit of not listening to doctors immediately carries over into their product design habits. Have you found this to be the case about humans? I personally haven't. I've experienced humans to be highly complex and multi layered, often applying different concepts and world views to different domains. In some areas they are driven by fear, in other areas…

I've worked hand-in-hand with technologly static religiously devout Amish. They listen to their doctor.

So would you take advice from Amish person about iphones?

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

#49
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some ways this can be read as minimizing Jobs, on the other hand you can hold this up against the vast majority of todays operators/founders and find them lacking. No one is going to care about your product more than you, so if you don't care.. then no one does. Jobs got that and lived by it. It sounds trivial, but how many of the current FAANG founders/CEOs actually care about their product outside of Zuck? Musk…

> outside of Zuck? I don't think Zuckerberg cares about his product, really. He cares about the income from his product. That's a different thing.

Probably right. He just seems the closest to caring. Maybe he just doesn't have good product taste (cough metaverse), and he's very happy to copy-paste competitors.

Re: Make Something Wonderful – Steve Jobs in his own words

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've worked hand-in-hand with technologly static religiously devout Amish. They listen to their doctor.

So would you take advice from Amish person about iphones?

Honestly, it might be a nice change of pace.
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