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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by ascar »

Dave3of5 wrote: post #129
cleansy wrote: post #8

Time to learn about a relocation clause in the general employee agreement: Clause [X]: Relocation Expenses and Redundancy Protection The Company agrees to reimburse the Employee for reasonable and necessary relocation expenses incurred by the Employee in connection with the Employee's relocation to the work location specified in this Agreement, subject to the terms and conditions set forth herein ("Relocation Expense…

Are you suggesting asking Google to add this to their contract ? If that's the case then you are delusional. These companies are "the law" and they will not change their contract for you. It's hard enough to even get a verbal offer from a company like Google far less get them to add relocation costs to a contract.

Relocation clauses are very common, often included right from the start in your initial offer and if not these big corps have prepared clauses that they can add upon request/negotiation.

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Post by cortesoft »

joshmanders wrote: post #287
cortesoft wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not saying going back to the same job, I am saying working with the same people at a new job. All of my former bosses have tried to recruit me to any new company they move to, and that is partly because I am always professional if I leave a company. I have zero loyalty to a company, but I have loyalty to my coworkers.

Not giving a 2 week notice is not unprofessional. And if you don't get recruited/"a good recommendation" from them for it, chances are that bridge burning was worthwhile.

So giving zero notice is not unprofessional? I have a ton of important things I am doing at work, if I left without doing any work to transition that work to new people, it is going to put all the people at my company in a tough position. They could figure it out eventually, but it would be a lot of extra work for my coworkers that could be avoided if I spent two weeks working with the team to transition the work.

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Post by chihuahua »

ghaff wrote: post #264
irrational wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At my company, there is no 2 weeks. The day you give your two weeks notice is your last day. We might pay you for those two weeks, depending on circumstances, but your building and network access is cut off within the hour. So, I personally would not give my notice until the day I actually want to be my last day.

That has never been the case at any company I have ever worked for. My impression is that two weeks notice with continued access is pretty standard so long as you're leaving on good terms.

At Microsoft, the standard practice is that if you say you're leaving to take a job a company they consider a competitor, they cut off all your access at the end of the day, even if your manager wants you to stick around for knowledge transfer. If it's not a competitor, it's up to you how much notice you want to give. If you say you're leaving but don't say who your next employer is, they assume it's a competitor.

Facebook was classified as a competitor, Amazon was not.

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Post by bagacrap »

xooglechoogle wrote: post #56

Entities with massive wealth, such as Google, should always use money to soften the blow of their mistakes. Giving this person a small chunk of cash would make me respect Google so much more than just screwing this person's life up and saying "Whoops, you're fired, lol!" But it's been a long time since Google was a cool company.

No mention of the relocation bonus. Was there one? Did they rescind that as well? Since I'm 90% sure Google would pay for international relocation, and the blog post didn't mention it (which it surely would have if Google had offered then rescinded one), I suspect he did get to keep that.

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Post by nisegami »

smsm42 wrote: post #293

Google surely pays well, and it must be that working there is a pleasure beyond understanding of a mere mortal, because I really am not seeing how waiting for 10 months to just to get an offer is otherwise making any sense. Unless you're independently rich, you'd have to work in the meantime. So, if you're not currently employed, considering Google as your next option is impossible - you need to apply for another job…

My current employer takes ages to bring people on. More than one of my coworkers has a story like mine, where after already starting another job, we got the call that we'd been hired for current employer. In my case, I just took a day off to sign the new contract and then just never went back. Awful, but it is what it is.

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Post by notahacker »

varispeed wrote: post #244
xnorswap wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've also not worked for mega-corps, but I've also had good experience with writing things into contracts and having them agreed to. I find it odd that people are fine with contract negotiation when it comes to remuneration but treat actual contract clauses like holy text that can't be changed. There's even a good chance that what you think is "unchanging boilerplate" is boilerplate that gets updated all the time and…

This. Even big multinational corporations can change the contract to your liking, but that involves sending it to their legal team and waiting. Last time I requested a change in the contract it took them almost one month to approve. So if they need to hire someone asap, then it may not work, but on the other hand that is a red flag. It's of course easier in smaller companies, where there is not many people in the cha…

> If you don't stand for yourself, you are unlikely going to stand for other things, seemingly less important and employer may see this as a bad trait.

I don't think there are many situations in which an employer is positive about a non-executive employee rejecting their contract offer and proposing an alternative with fancy legalese clause awarding themselves a [$amount] bonus up front in a manner which creates the most complications for the company's lawyers and auditors. It's certainly something (and someone) very easy to say no to.

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Post by saagarjha »

irrational wrote: post #246
AlwaysRock wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

At my company, there is no 2 weeks. The day you give your two weeks notice is your last day. We might pay you for those two weeks, depending on circumstances, but your building and network access is cut off within the hour. So, I personally would not give my notice until the day I actually want to be my last day.

Your company is doing the something that is legal but still a jerk move.

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Post by saagarjha »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #280
dopidopHN wrote: post #240

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All the contract I signed in the US ( 5 or 6 ) were « at will » Basically a 1 pager stating the total lack of contract between you and the company. And your salary.

I think that's typical in the US. Makes me wonder why even bother calling it a "contract".

There’s a lot else in it, like the part where they typically own all your output during that period.

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Post by samstave »

ghaff wrote: post #282
samstave wrote: post #260

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YUP! This happened to me and a good friend of mine who is an Eng Manager at Netflix now... But we both went through a three month long panel interview and I was told I did "very well" on all my interviews and to expect an offer letter in the morning. The next day they called and told me that they wouldnt be making me an offer. The issue was that Brin was still the final sign off... The school that i went to in the ea…

A couple of things there. 1. A Verbal Contract Isn’t Worth the Paper It’s Written On -- attributed to Samuel Goldwyn, the G of MGM. I don't agree with all the advice to work 2 jobs simultaneously but definitely wait for a written offer. No sensible HR person is going to have an issue with that. 2. In the case of acquisitions/mergers/etc. make it crystal clear that you're not trying to claim a school/employer with may…

To put icing on the cake, Google recruiters kept calling me for FIVE FUCKING YEARS for the same job...

I had to finally tell them I had gone through three months of panel interviews, Ive designed parts of your data centers, video studio and have built every salesforce office in the US at that point, and designed shit for other FAAN companies so give me the damn job or lose my damn number.

They stopped calling me for the job after that. (it was for a network PM under Raligh Mann, who was the ILM CIO before he went on to google... after I designed the DC for Lucas' Presidio campus.

Also fun fact, I found out Goog was designing their own motherboards at the time - and I happened to see one when visiting a friend on-site, and saw one under his desk and said hey whats this? and he said "uh, you werent supposed to see that - lets go!"

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This was before it was public that both Goog and FB were designing their own DC hardware...

Some dope engineering though.

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Post by tonymillion »

chippiewill wrote: post #225
jrochkind1 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like OP had a signed employment contract. > Thus, the contract with me has been terminated 10 days before it was supposed to take effect. Apparently a contract that allowed no-cause termination. I'm not sure what that contract is good for exactly, but I think this is common in the USA. Whether it's legal in the UK I couldn't say.

In the UK you don't get the typical employment rights until after 2 years of employment. Most employment contracts have you on zero-notice until 6 month probation is completed.

Yeah that’s wrong.

In the first MONTH of employment either side can terminate with immediate notice

1 month - 2 years is 1 week notice

After 2 years it’s one week for every year of employment with a cap of 12 weeks

That’s notice period, after the first month of service other employee rights kick in and grounds for “instant dismissal” become ridiculously strict.

Meaning after the first month, if your performance becomes substandard or interpersonal problems arise you have to be given written notice by your employer (usually 2) and roadmap for correction agreed by all parties after which termination of position can be delivered (which includes the week(s) of notice to which you are entitled, or payment in lieu if you are asked not to come back.

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