>All of these differences can make it surprising and challenging for someone with an Indo-European language background to learn and use Kłeti. Ironically, Proto-Indo-European is believed to be far more complex than its modern descendants, as described by Wikipedia: >PIE is believed to have had an elaborate system of morphology that included inflectional suffixes (analogous to English child, child's, children, childre…
Several of its modern descendants are not that much simpler :) Most famously, Baltic and Slavic languages have retained large parts of the case system. Some of them even the dual forms of nouns. Their verbal system has become even more sophisticated. Germanic languages retain the Ablaut system, even though it is no longer productive and has decayed into a bunch of irregular verbs.
Teaching ChatGPT to speak my son’s invented language
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Re: Teaching ChatGPT to speak my son’s invented language
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've noticed if I give chat GPT an algorithm it gives me consistent results when it shows it's work but if I ask it not to show it's work and just give me the answer. It consistently gives me incorrect answers even when I ask it to follow an algorithm that I gave it. I suppose this is similar to humans and probably why my school teachers always told me to show my work, but I'm curious if this has been documented and…
GPT is auto regressive. That means each output token becomes part of the new input sequence. Which is to say, the beginning of the model’s answer becomes part of your prompt. If the model makes some mistake in the beginning, it now needs to explain / make sense of that mistake. Kind of like a split-brain patient whom you ask why they got up, and they then say, to get a Coke. [1] In psychology, that is called confabul…
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The counter argument is if you just ask it, it will readily explain what a game is. How do we know you (as a human) actually know what a game is? I would have to test your knowledge and/or take your word for it.
That is not a counter argument. GPT creates the illusion of something that knows things, it doesn’t actually know anything. It turns out if you had a super power where you always knew how to pick the next best word for a sentence, you could convince a lot of people you know stuff. Is knowledge nothing more than a series of words in correct order?
(We don't know)
Re: Teaching ChatGPT to speak my son’s invented language
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I don't believe this works the way you think. Within the same chat session with GPT3 you can ask it to explain addition, then ask it to do addition, and the explanation will be perfectly accurate but the sums it does will be complete rubbish. It's not enough to remind it. The article og_kalu posted above goes into detail as to what they had to do to teach an LLM how to reason algorithmically in a specific problem dom…
> I don't believe this works the way you think. Within the same chat session with GPT3 you can ask it to explain addition, then ask it to do addition, and the explanation will be perfectly accurate but the sums it does will be complete rubbish. It's not enough to remind it. Again, I've had this exact experience with people many times as well, so again I don't think this in itself is any kind of indication of whether…
There's a difference between some people sometimes needing to be reminded to do something, and them flat out not being able to do it due to fundamental cognitive limitations.
>"E.g. I just tested by asking GPT4 for a multiplication method and then asked it to use it on two numbers I provided and show its working, and it did just fine."
That's because GPT4 has been custom tuned and trained on that specific task as well, along with many others. It's that training, why it was necessary and how it works that the paper referred to previously was about.
This is literally the subject under discussion. You're using the fact the system was custom trained to do that specific task as is therefore good at it, along with other basic mathematical tasks, as evidence that it has a general ability that doesn't need to be custom trained.
This is what I'm talking about and as these models get better specific problem domain training two things will happen. One is that they will become dramatically more powerful and capable tools. That's great.
The other is that more and more people will come to fundamentally misunderstand how they function and what they do, because they will see that they produce similar results to humans in many ways. They will infer from that they work cognitively in the same way as humans, and will reason about their abilities on that basis and will make errors as a result, because they're not aware of the highly specialist training the systems had to go through precisely because there are very important and impactful ways in which they don't cognitively function like humans.
This matters, particularly when non specialists like politicians are making decisions about how this technology should be regulated and governed.
Re: Teaching ChatGPT to speak my son’s invented language
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't believe this works the way you think. Within the same chat session with GPT3 you can ask it to explain addition, then ask it to do addition, and the explanation will be perfectly accurate but the sums it does will be complete rubbish. It's not enough to remind it. Again, I've had this exact experience with people many times as well, so again I don't think this in itself is any kind of indication of whether…
>Again, I've had this exact experience with people many times as well There's a difference between some people sometimes needing to be reminded to do something, and them flat out not being able to do it due to fundamental cognitive limitations. >"E.g. I just tested by asking GPT4 for a multiplication method and then asked it to use it on two numbers I provided and show its working, and it did just fine." That's becau…
GPT4 isn't "flat out not able to do it" when reminded. My point was that I have had the same experience of having to prompt step by step and go "why did you do that? Follow the steps" with both fully functional, normally intelligent people and with GPT4 for similarly complex tasks, and given the improvement between 3.5 and 4 there's little reason to assume this won't keep improving for at least some time more.
> That's because GPT4 has been custom tuned and trained on that specific task as well, along with many others. It's that training, why it was necessary and how it works that the paper referred to previously was about.
So it can do it when trained, just like people, in other words.
> They will infer from that they work cognitively in the same way as humans
And that would be bad. But so is automatically assuming that there's any fundamental difference between how they work and how human reasoning work given that we simply do not know how human reasoning work, and given that LLMs in increasing number of areas show similar behaviour (failure to e.g. fall back on learned rules) when their reasoning breaks down as untrained people.
Again, I'm not saying they're reasoning like people, but I'm saying that we know very little about what the qualitative differences are outside of the few glaringly obvious aspects (e.g. lack of lasting memory and lack of ongoing reinforcement during operation), and we don't know how necessary those will be (we do know that humans can "function" for some values of function without the ability to form new lasting memories, but obviously it provides significant functional impairment).
Re: Teaching ChatGPT to speak my son’s invented language
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not a counter argument. GPT creates the illusion of something that knows things, it doesn’t actually know anything. It turns out if you had a super power where you always knew how to pick the next best word for a sentence, you could convince a lot of people you know stuff. Is knowledge nothing more than a series of words in correct order?
How is this "illusion" different from humans knowledge of things? (We don't know)
Re: Teaching ChatGPT to speak my son’s invented language
#177In context learning is hands down the biggest breakthrough of LLMs. The flexibility the model displays without updating weights is genuinely mind blowing, bordering on absurd especially if you've trained other kinds of models before. See here - https://imgur.com/a/w3DAYOi from the paper - https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.09066 GPT 3.5's (4 is much much better) addition accuracy tanks after 2 digits. However, by approaching…
> you can supercharge accuracy to basically 100% for up to 13 digit addition and >90% after. Is the ~13 digit limitation due to the model itself (how/how well it was trained) or simply the use of double precision in the model weights (which maxes out around 15 digits of precision).
Taking "123" it becomes [123]. "1234" becomes [12][34]. "12345" becomes [123][45].
Consider using spaces between each digit to force them to be distinct tokens.
"1 2 3 4 5" is tokenized as [1][ 2][ 3][ 4][ 5]
It may then be possible to work with the digits more easily because they're not getting tokenized in potentially odd ways that are harder to manipulate.
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How is this "illusion" different from humans knowledge of things? (We don't know)
GPT for instance doesn’t understand how to measure utility of things for different contexts. It doesn’t know.
Re: Teaching ChatGPT to speak my son’s invented language
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GPT for instance doesn’t understand how to measure utility of things for different contexts. It doesn’t know.
That gives a limitation of knowledge, and says nothing about whether there is a fundamental difference.
Not sure what else I can really say about that. They are not the same.
Re: Teaching ChatGPT to speak my son’s invented language
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That gives a limitation of knowledge, and says nothing about whether there is a fundamental difference.
Your premise is the illusion of things are the same as the actual things. Not sure what else I can really say about that. They are not the same.